Principle of Creation Part 1.2

to be look female or to look masc or look feminine. No, I'm not getting that right, am I? To look male, be male or female. Yeah. So intern. So it's not that there are four different dual characteristics. There's two primary ones internal and natur external form. So you can only have a positive something or a negative something. Can I positively negative without by themselves? Okay. How about good and evil? Well, good and evil are not like positive and negative. Yeah. Why are they not like positive

and negative? They're opposing. They're opposing. So, do they attract each other? Yeah, I was going to say they don't attract. They don't attract each other. They repel each other. And what happens when they meet? You get a clash. Sometimes you get, you know, a struggle, a fight. Yeah. Because they have very different values. So, good and evil are not like positive and negative. They don't fit into the category of dual characteristics. But if you remember, we looked at it last week and we saw in Pythagoras's table of opposites, we saw along with positive negative, we saw good

and evil. Remember who was here last week? Martin, of course. Yes. A few just are you? Okay. Okay. So good and evil then they're not complimentary and they repel each other and when they meet there's conflict. So it is desirable and it's possible to have good without evil. So as I said last week often it's written into you know into our language. People often say you can't have good without evil. Yeah. And people and you might say why can't you? But actually this kind of saying is expresses a dualistic perspective on life. The saying is written into our language.

But actually it is possible and desirable to have good without evil. Can you give me an example of good without evil? Parents who don't abuse their children. Yeah. Parents who don't abuse their children. Can you Can you appreciate your parents more if they abuse you from time to time? No. Can you appreciate your parents if the parents next door are really nasty to their No, you don't. I mean, who enjoys eating and food? Okay. Yeah. Obviously. So, is your is your do you have a heightened appetite? Do you enjoy your food more with the knowledge

that there are people in parts of Africa who are dying of starvation? No. No. You ever How many people would like to go and eat in a restaurant where they got wonderful food, but they got these extraordinary pictures on the walls of starving children? How would you feel? Would you be able to enjoy your food? No, you wouldn't. So actually you don't need evil to be able to appreciate and enjoy the good. Actually evil mars the good. Evil spoils it. You don't need good. You don't need evil to be able to appreciate good.

But as I said this is a saying which is written into every single European language. They all say the same thing because this comes all the way back from the sort of Greek ideas reflected in the what in Pythagoras that we looked at last week. So we can appreciate good without knowing evil. So to sum up isn't the problem today people don't actually believe in good at all I mean people still use moral language but their ideas of what is morally important has changed. So what is the criteria now for whether you're a good or a bad person? your personal being. What decides whether people are good or bad these days? The status quo. No, what is a what is the status quo now? Whatever you hold to be good or bad at

that particular moment. What's empowerment? No. In our in our culture today, who is designated as good and who's designated as bad? Popularity. Popularity. Yeah. What are people often popular about? What's the greatest crime today to do today? Murder. No. Worse than murder. Not not to be beautiful. No. Have a big carbon footprint. It's a murder. Well, nowadays people are often evaluated according to whether they recycle or not, whether they drive or not, whether they have a big carbon footprint or a small carbon footprint, you know, whether they're ecologically environmentally conscious or not. Nobody cares

now about sexuality, but you know, every the standard of what is right and wrong has changed. You know, so you got evil businesses and good businesses according to whether they are ecologically environmentally, you know, correct or not. Would you say that um views of what is good and evil is become more and more relative there's no clear standard of what is there's no clear phrasing of what is good and what is evil. There's more people see it as something that is relative depending on the situation.

So people tend to live in agree that way. I it's always I mean good and evil is always relative. I mean something you know when you look at two things one you know if I got three things this may be better than that but that is better than this. So it's always you know good and evil always relative in that sense. One thing is better or worse than something else. I mean relative they're all changeable or or they're equally valid. Is that what you want to say? They're all equally valid lifestyles. Yes.

That kind of thing. Yeah. If I if I you know I kind of list that's my belief and there's there's nothing wrong with that. So it's accepted as you know because relative situation that come back. Mhm. So or if um you know in a country where you know if someone comes from a country where you know they you know beat their wives and then people see that as well used to say you know that sort of well that's the sort of byproduct of multiculturalism. Yes. That unwillingness to make moral judgments. Yeah.

And to say that all cultures are equal equally valid. Yeah. But yes, I mean except when as I said when it comes to um ecological awareness and being green, that's the cutting edge today for what is right and wrong and lots of other things. People don't make moral judgments or don't want to make moral judgments about them anymore. Yeah. Um okay, sum up. So God then is a harmonious union of original internal nature and external form. a harmonious union original masculinity and original femininity

and internal masculine subject partner of the universe. So this is what we looked at. This is sort of based this is the conclusions of our natural theology which we looked at mostly last week and just finished off today. What is the nature of God? We can understand the nature of God by looking at the the world which God created. Um because everything that God created is an expression of who he is. God expressed himself in the world that he created. And so by studying the world you can understand something about the nature of God. Not everything

but something about the nature of God. So where else can we learn to find out something about what God is like? We looked at the natural world. Where else can we go? Humans. Human beings. Okay. Anywhere else? Scriptures. Scriptures. Yes. So where else can we look? We can look at the Bible. So what is the Bible then? So, it's a record of the encounters people had with God. So, as we looked at before, if you wanted to know what Renoir was like, you can go along, you can get the Euro Star to Paris,

but he's not there. He died. You can probably find people. When did he die? Long time ago, wasn't it? Maybe too long ago. Anyway, supposing there was an author who died in 50. What? An author or a painter? I don't mind paint in Paris who's still alive and she knew Van Go is there. She's really old. Okay. All right. So, that's an example. You can't meet Van Go himself, but you might be able to meet somebody who knew him and so you can go and interview them. So, when he was an old man, he was quite young

and so you can get a secondhand impression of what he was like by meeting somebody who knew him. And so, it's the same with the Bible. This is a record of encounters people had with God. So if you never had an experience with God yourself, you can go and you can find out from people who did have experiences with God what God said to them, what God what their experience and encounter with God was like and through that they may be able you may able to think well maybe how can I have a similar kind of experience

that what you had and this is what religious leaders or founders of religion do. So Buddha for example, he spent a lot of time trying to find out how to be enlightened and he sat under a bodhic tree for a long time and finally experienced enlightenment and then he went and told his followers how to experience it themselves and he outlined to them a way of life and if they practiced and followed this way of life they also would have the same kind of experience that he had. So that's why it's good to listen to

and to learn from people who had these kind of experiences because they may be able to show you how to have a similar kind of experience yourself. So that's partly what the Bible is a record of encounters people had with God. Well, it's also a record of God's words. So very often through the prophets, God said to Jeremiah, "Write this down." And there's a message from God. God's words, God's measures to human beings, to humanity at that particular period in history. But often this is relevant not just to

that period but also today. Is that John Ho at the back there? Hi. Haven't seen you for ages. How are you doing? I think the last time I saw you was in Sunday school in Hatchen, wasn't it? Yeah, that was a while ago. You haven't been around you? No, I'm going there in January. Were you there when I did the settlement age workshop last summer? Yeah, I was there. Okay. All right. I can't remember if I met you there or not, but uh Yeah. Okay. Good. Good to see you. How was STF? Good. Well done. They gave you a badge today or medal or a certificate. Certificate. T-shirt. Oh, I went to STF

and all I got was this lousy [Laughter] t-shirt. Is that what it was? Said on it. I think you better scrub that from them otherwise in they won't invite me. All right. So, it's a record of God's words. Also, it's a record of God's activity. So, people sometimes say, "What has God been doing in human history?" And then this is a record of the kind of ways in which God has been interacting, intervening in human affairs and human history to try to make the world a better place. And so, you can see the way the pattern through which God has been working. The Bible is a really interesting book. It's not written by one any not written by one person. It's actually a collection of books. Originally there used to be scrolls written in Hebrew

and then when it became possible technologically to produce a you know a book then they decided well which of these scrolls shall we include in this book? Um and so you know the rabbis went through it all and they decided to include the ones which were they regard as being scripture. In other words, the ones which are read over and over and over and over and over and over and over again people kept reading and rereading them. So they were always in print. And so people so they had these words people felt they spoke to them. Whatever period of history it was these words were alive. They spoke to them. They felt God's speaking to them through these pieces of scripture. Whereas other scrolls were relevant to a particular time

but after a while people felt it doesn't speak to them anymore. So they fell out of print. Not that they were actually printed but they weren't you know continually being reproduced and read. Anyway, so there's a mixture of things. You got some history in there. So you got the history books, um, Judges, Kings, Samuel, Chronicles. Um, you get myths like, uh, story of Adam and Eve and other myths. You get a lot of poetry, the Psalms, and a lot of the prophets written in poetry. You get prophecy as in the prophets

and other passages. You got songs like the Psalms again and proverbs. These are wise sayings. Lots of stories, lots of laws, and lots of other kinds of teaching. So it's a it's a huge mixture of different kinds of genre. So when you study the Bible, you have to be aware what kind of genre is this particular piece of I'm reading. Is it poetry or is it pros? Is it history or is it law? Yeah. So you have to be quite, you know, discriminating when you read it to understand what is it I'm reading. Sometimes people read the story of how God created the universe in

and the world in six days and think, well, this is a load of rubbish. Well, it's not a it's not written as a scientific treatise. And so if you read it as a scientific treatise, you're misunderstanding what kind of literature it is. It's like reading a poem and saying, "Well, that's not very accurate, is it?" You know, po, you know, poetry and pros are different kinds of literature. Yeah. So, if you read a myth as if it was and you judge it according to the the criteria of scientific studies, you know, you just don't don't you know, you're just ignorant really at the end of the day. Sorry to say

that you need to go back and do an English literature class to understand how to make a distin distinguish between the different kinds of literature. So the Bible is also like a textbook teaching the truth. But again it's different kinds of truth. It's teaching moral truth, mythological truth, scientific truth, historical truth. Again, many different types of truth which have been taught through the Bible. So we need to understand this. So for example, are fairy stories true? Yes. In what way are they true? True when you're a child. Okay.

But what kind of truth is it emotional truth? Methodological truth. Yeah. Symbolic truth. Yeah. It teaches truth, but it teaches this truth through a story. So it's like a sort of symbolism. Yeah. There's lots of symbols there. It's a it's teaching a moral truth through a story, through a narrative. So if you look at Jesus's parables, you might say, "Well, was it true or not? Did it really happen there was really a Samaritan walking down the road?" But it doesn't really make any difference whether it was historically true or not.

That parable is there to reveal a moral or spiritual truth. Yeah. So lots of different Hey Margaret, you joining us? Oh, thank you. I'm going to join you one of these days. One of these days. Yeah. I'll hold you to that. So textual teaching of truth. So let's have a look and see. This is St. Isidor. I don't know where he lived but sounds like a Spanish sort of name but I don't know. Anyway, he lived in the um sixth and seventh century. And he say prayer purifies us. Reading instructs us. If a man wants to be always in God's company, he must pray regularly

and read regularly. When we pray, we talk to God. And when we read, God talks to us. Okay. And so that's the whole basis of all religious traditions is to study scripture and to read and to pray and to meditate. Yeah. So what does the Bible tell us about God then? Do you want me to go back for that? Um it's okay. What does the Bible tell us reveal to us about God? It tells us lots. So I'm just going to pick out a few significant verses. So this is one. This is probably this is a the first uh line of the main Jewish prayer, the shama. Here, O Israel, the Lord our is our God. The Lord is one.

So here, O Israel, listen, O Israel. Okay, so it's what's what's this all about then? Well, the main insight here is that the Lord is one. There is only one God. Yeah, there's only one God. was that this is a this is a revolutionary idea in the ancient world because in the ancient world every people had their own gods. The Egyptians had their gods. The Assyrians had their gods. The Romans had their gods. The Greeks had their gods. Every people had their gods and their gods are the ones who protected them.

And people used to respect each other's gods. So if you travel from one geographical area to another, you might start worshiping the different gods because each ones had the sort of geographically thing. But the Jews believed that actually the god that they worshiped was actually the god of all humanity. There's only one god and the god of all human beings. And of course the consequence of this was meant if there's only one god and he's the god of all human beings that means all human beings have equal value. Yeah, this is a revolutionary idea in the ancient world. The idea

that you were valuable because you know the base of individual value basically. But also the idea of God is one. The oneness of God. There's no dualism. There's no conflict within God. Again, that's very different to the ancient gods, ancient religions where there were many gods. They were polytheistic. And often the gods were in conflict with each other. So you know Mount Olympus for example and they're all fighting and you the um the Norse gods are always fighting who's fighting Thor and who was it Odin

and Locky and you know all these ones. So these sort of things so but but anyway the other thing here is here O Israel is not obey O Israel it's here O Israel. So the core here is that God wants people to listen. Yeah. Not to obey but to listen and then on the basis of listening to understand. On the basis of understanding to act. Yeah. So the whole moral dimension to this very interesting words starts off the here. Now that God wants us to listen to what he has to say to think about what he has to say to understand what he's saying

and act on the basis of understanding which means that one is taking responsibility for the things that one does. Yeah. mean means we're God treats us as responsible beings because he wants us to listen not as robots but to be listening attentive responsive responsible yeah so it just comes from these these little words here the Lord is our God so again Lord means uh the one who's worthy of being worshiped okay so that's this first sort of idea but also it's the idea you know sometimes when you talk to people they say I believe in the Christian God I don't believe in the Muslim Muslim God.

So if you unpack that statement, what is it saying? It's saying there's two different gods. Yes, it's saying there's two different gods. There's a Christian God and a Muslim God. And it's also given the impression that each Christians created their God and Muslims created their God. Yes, it's really strange when you analyze the way that people sometimes talk still today. That's like the language and the self-standing of 4,000 years ago the ancient world. For the Jewish people, they move beyond

that to say actually there's only one God. There's one God of all humanity. So it doesn't make any sense to say I don't believe in your God because your God and my God are the same God because there is only one God. So you can see sometimes the way that people talk is still incredibly primitive. Yeah. Oh, I don't believe in your God. That kind of thing. Strange. Okay. So God then is uh is uh pure spirit. God is indivisible. Important idea. Okay. God is the creator. So oh Lord God, behold you've made the heavens

and the earth by your great power and by your outstretched arm. Nothing is too difficult for you. And so here again what is that? What are the implications of this? If God created the universe, if God is good, God is the Lord is our God. So God is worthy of being woripped. Yes. Like you have the your worshipful mayor, the so and so worthy of respect. So it's the idea that God is good. And this good God created the universe, the world in which we live. So that means if God created the universe, the universe is also good.

But again this is contra this is different to the the view in the ancient world where they thought that or a lot of religions thought that the the world was created by an evil god. There's a two a good god and evil god and the evil god created the material world and imprisoned spirit in the material world. So sort of dualistic aspect. So again important thing but is that why we worship God? Do we worship God because he created the universe? Do we worship God because he's so powerful? Initially, initially you do. I think it's foundation for respecting him, right? Is it? Okay. It's one aspect.

But uh the other thing is for the Lord is the God of knowledge. With him actions are weighed. So here's the idea that God knows everything. But again from God's point of view, is God's knowledge the most important thing about him? Is the fact that God is so powerful? Is that what God feels is the most important attribute that he has? His power or his knowledge. That's another important quality here. For all his ways are just a God of faithfulness and without injustice, righteous and upright is he.

So God's not just powerful. God is also good. Yes, God isn't capricious. He is very just. And people get their just desserts that you know if you're good eventually you're rewarded. If you're evil eventually, you know, you may be punished. And so this is a very important idea that there is justice. The the world the universe is created on the basis of justice. And so you have the similar sort of idea in in Indian religions of karma. Again this idea there's a sort of law of karma or justice running

and permeating the whole of the universe. Actions lead to consequences. If you want to interrupt me and ask a question, please do. No, you look like you wanted to say something. No. No. Okay. Anyway, please feel free to ask or to interrupt. Otherwise, I'll just talk till bedtime. So, another one is God is love. So, this is the gospel, the one of the letters of John. God is love and the one who abides in love abides in God and God abides in him. So, getting closer here to a deeper level, what is the nature, the essence of of the divine nature, the divine character

and also get in the biblical traditions idea that God is our father. So not literally. Um and so you have this in Jesus's prayer which is typical Jewish prayer. Our father who art in heaven and again you get this in Isaiah. Yet oh Lord you are our father. We're the clay. You are the potter. We are the works of your hand. So again you get this idea very powerful sense the relationship between it between God and human beings is like the relationship of a father and a son a father and child. And again in Matthew,

that you might be the children of your father who is in heaven, who makes his son to rise upon the good and the bad and the rain upon the just and the unjust. And so here we got this powerful sense that God is the God of all humanity. God isn't on anybody's side. God actually cares about the bad people, the unjust people. Yes. And he makes, you know, gives them rain as well. It's again this kind of universal vision. God is the God of all humanity. So again, it doesn't make sense to go around saying, "Oh, God's on our side."

But actually, because God's not on anybody's side, every single individual is an individual aspect and we call individual truth body and individual expression of the divine nature and everybody's individually has equal value irrespective whether they're good or bad. And also and again the Bible define God as our mother. But now like a woman in childbirth, I cry out, I gasp and pant. And there's a long description there in Isaiah along these lines. Can a mother forget her the baby at her breast

and have no compassion on the child she has born? Though she may forget, I will not forget you. So here God's revealing himself as a mother. this sort of deep deep deep caring and absolute commitment, you know, to his children like a mother has will never forget you. Yeah, that's what a mother's like. Never forget, you know, they have a child that dies at at birth or so after birth and never forget this child. And again, in Isaiah, as a mother comforts her child, so will I comfort you and you'll be comforted over Jerusalem.

And so you can see here this nature that what's revealed in the biblical tradition is that God is a being of heart essentially being of heart and love and a parent. And again when Israel was a child I loved him and out of Egypt I call my son. Again this kind of feeling you get the texture of the language is that God reveals himself. This is how God feels about us. He feels that we're his sons and his daughters. So, so where else can we learn to know more about God? Well, somebody said from a human being, didn't they? Who was

that you, Joyce? I think so. So, God created man in his own image. And as St. Clement of Alexandria said, where's Alexandria? Egypt. Egypt. That's right. Founded by Alexander the Great. That's right. Yeah. It's a great center of learning. greatest library in the ancient world until it uh was destroyed. Anyway, he said, "Know yourself. He who knows himself will know God. He who knows God will become like God." Yeah. If you want to understand the nature of God, we can look at the natural world. We can understand something about the nature of God by looking at the na at nature. We can learn something about the nature of God by studying the scriptures.

But also we can learn a lot about God through knowing ourselves through understanding ourselves. And the most important anyway the main thing about ourselves is what terms of trying to understand yourself is what's the main thing you discover when you try and understand yourself? Motivation. Okay. Anything else? Can you understand yourself? In relation sorry in relation full can you understand yourself fully I don't think so no I don't think so at the end of the day we're just a mystery I mean I've been married for all these years sometimes my wife is a complete mystery comes out with all these unexpected things

but that's you're talking now about your wife but then I think about but then I think I think about myself sometimes I say say things and I thought where did that come from or I do things you know completely out of character I think you know there's something in me which I I'm unaware of there's certain things moving deep within me which I'm not conscious of I'm not aware of I can't fully know myself and also the fact I feel that you can't always know yourself because we're constantly changing as people

that as well person I was when I was 5 years old that as well and and that doesn't about every part of my character. There's different aspects of my character. I'm talking about there's different parts of my character that seem to come out that may have laid dormant a long time. So, no, we can never really know. That's right. It's a process. And so that's why often people go into, you know, sort of psychology and trying to explore the uncon the conscious and the unconscious and layer upon layer trying to, you know, get a handle on it. Yeah. Anyway,

so do you think it's any easier to get a handle on God? H if we can't understand ourselves, do you think we can really understand God? No. God ultimately is is a mystery and that I think is the only thing that makes eternity bearable. time to learn. Well, because it got this endless depths to which we can go. We can never get to the bottom of things. And so, whereas if you could get to bottom of somebody or something, what's next? You get bored. But if it's ultimately mysterious, if God and we are all ultimately have an infinite depth,

then that makes eternity something to look forward to. amazing people. Everybody different aspects of God. That's right. Absolutely. Got a hand up over there at the back. Multiah for me this point is if people can accept one can accept this as a reality, it can make a big difference to how far we can go in life. I think most of us are taught to learn in a very exacting way because you have spelling tests and you have curriculum and so we always assume that there's a sort of finite body of knowledge body of content

and then of course when you come into this kind of area yeah I mean I always tell my ch students when I was at school when I was teaching I hope you leave school feeling completely ignorant ignorant and uneducated. If you leave school feeling you know everything, that's the worst. What about studying? Well, it's not just that. You actually think you know something where actually really you don't. And I always remember I had this feeling, this experience when I was doing a history exam for my O level is

now called GCSE. And you know, I've been studying this particular period. I think it was a Stuarts or something English history. And then I went into the exam and there were 20 questions on the examination paper. And about 15 of them I didn't even understand what the question was, let alone the answer. And there was five questions which I could answer because I'd studied that little period of history. And so I walked out of the examination hall realizing actually I only know a fragment of history.

But I realized at other schools there are other people who could answer those questions or those ones. Then I realized that you know there's so much knowledge around no single individual can possibly hold all this knowledge in their head. And so that's why you know if you leave school you the more you study the more you should become aware of how little you know how much more there is to know. Yes. Simon. Isn't this the problem with religious people a lot of time knowing the truth comparing yourself to people don't believe or haven't heard

because I hear it all the time in terms of members of our church being in some way more anyway looked at value differently people who don't haven't heard the teaching and therefore are ignorant or it's just very arrogant to think like that and it just reveals one's own ignorance to be honest. Well, I think that I think that you know the principle says very simply that the place where we can begin to understand the heart of each other like husbands and wives, parents, brothers and sisters within the family of course it doesn't mean we understand

but within the extended family [Music] cous And I think that is really if that kind of environment exists then there is a possibility of um you know seeing other people in a different light. Yeah. And beginning a relationful creative reality of course is quite different. Yeah. It's a different kind of knowledge. A relational knowledge. You get to know somebody. You can't just you it's not just a few facts here and there something more deep. Okay, let's move on. So what then is the center of a human being

then is it know yourself well again in the biblical tradition heart is the core of human nature. So the more than 850 references in the Bible to the human heart. So so yeah so the b the heart then is a source of meaning and motivation for living and creating. So what's the word heart mean? Well, if you look in the English dictionary, we'll find if you look at the compact edition of the Oxford English dictionary, do you do you know how many pages are on the word heart? 18. Nine. Nine. Well done, Simon. Glad you've been reading the That's right. the nine pages on no this is the big you know the big when I'm talking about the compact English dictionary it's the the full eight volume one

and the big pages and there's 56 meanings of the for the word heart so let's look at a few of them obviously the most simple one is it's a muscle that pumps blood but also it means in English it means the center of the vital functions the seat of life this is the center of everything which is important the seat of our life when your heart stops you eye it's also the heart in also means the mind including the faculties of emotion valition and intellect emotion intellect and will so the seat is the heart which is a seat of emotion intellect

and will and not and the heart is the seat of the mind in that sense so these the the English word heart the meanings of the English word heart come from which book do you think mostly from the bible the the English language is is fundamentally shaped by the biblical tradition because the first person started translating the Bible into English. Do you know who he was? No, way before that. Way before White said something really bad about No, I don't think so. He was a very religious person. He wouldn't dream of doing that. King Alfred no a bit later

then Alfred the great he started translating the Bible into English and so in struggling to do so he coined some English words as I maybe mentioned to you before the word freedom was coined by King Arthur King Alfred I mean because he wanted to express the biblical understanding and there wasn't a word in English at that time so he brought together two English words free and doom which means law and he coined the word freedom which means you're free to do anything you want within the law which of course divine principle talks about free you're free within the principle.

So the English language then is very shaped by the biblical tradition and so the meaning of a lot of English words is shaped by the biblical tradition and the Bible's translated into English much earlier than it was in any other European language. So if doom means law, what did the original free mean? Does free means you can do anything you want. You're free. Do anything. Freedom and free were different meanings. No, there's free and there was doom. These are two these are two Anglo-Saxon words

and he brought them together. Like in German often you you know you string lots of words together. So he brought together these two words free and doom and became freedom. So that's why you get the doomsday book is the book of judgment. It's the the book of laws is the the book of dooms is the book of laws. So that's what it is. Anyway, D said, yeah, so the the English word heart is shaped by the biblical tradition. So it's a seat of the innermost thoughts and spirit and soul. It's also the heart means your intent, your will, your purpose, your desire. It also heart means your disposition, your temperament, your character. It also means the heart is also a seat of emotions, especially love.

And so, you know, we read the unification thought and the principle, we find all these things and we think, well, that's an a unique, interesting, original insight. But actually, that's just the English meaning of the word. You understand what I mean? What you know, it's a seat. Yeah, it's also the seat of courage. So, there's 56 meanings. As I said, I recommend you go along and you read it. It's really interesting and it's got quotes from all the pieces of the Bible and the pieces of English literature from which this particular meaning is embedded. Yeah. In a particular sentence

and also there's lots of other words. So you know when you learn something what do you you do? You learn it by heart. You learn something off by heart. When you learn something off by heart it becomes part of you. You're not learning it off by mind where it's just intellectually in your head. You learn something off by heart, it becomes part of you. Yes, it be so you learn a poem off by heart, you feel a poem is alive inside you. Again other expressions you say somebody you take something to heart it means you really take it seriously becomes part of you. You say somebody's out of heart means they're in low spirits. You say somebody's in good heart. You find your heart. You break somebody's heart. You eat your heart out. Take heart. Talk about the heart of hearts. Talk about heart ache. Another interesting when people got engaged or betrothed, it was called a heart bond. Yeah. The their hearts are joined together. The fiance a heart bond. You get heartbound, which means you're devoted to somebody. Heartbreak. I mentioned heartburn is what? Yeah.

But also emotionally it's jealousy. Oh, is it? Yes. So, a lot of this language we've forgotten which is sad. Talk about hearten. You put your heart into something heartfelt, heartful, heartfully heart, sorry hearten. Particularly, a lot of these words have been lost. We we've lost a lot of the the you know the our inheritance as you know which is sad to heartily do something right heartness hearting imparting courage um got hearties come on hearties heartily sincerely heartquake heartquake where it's something which shakes your heart the core of your being something is heart rending yeah tears your heart apart Heart root, the heart of a matter, heart searching, heart ease, heart sick, heartsomely, heart sore, heart strike, heartstrings. You pluck somebody's heartstrings, heart struck, heart ward, heart hole, which means you're, you know,

and you're hearty, faint-hearted. Um, it just goes on and on. Yeah. Yes. So, there's again, it's so interesting. I say you got nine pages. It's so interesting all these different meanings. Yeah. I didn't want to embarrass people living on the other side of the world who may not appreciate the depth of the meaning of the English word heart. Sorry. Yes. So, what's the difference between the English word heart and the Korean word shim and strictly exists in our cultures? Yes, it does. Absolutely.

And I said the English word heart, it's shaped by the biblical tradition. So to say oh the English word heart can't express the depth of the Korean word shimjong reflects only an ignorance of the meaning of the English word heart and the origins of the word heart and the nuances which are rooted in the biblical tradition to get that in somewhere. Okay. So heart then in the biblical tradition is the core of God. So again find so many verses in Job. What is man that you make so much of him that you set your heart upon him.

So again God set his heart upon us. Again shows the value how valuable we are to God that he set his heart upon us. Again Genesis when God smelled the pleasing aroma. This is after the the flood. The Lord said in his heart I will never again curse the ground because of man. So again God makes decisions in his heart. That's the se seat of decision making making. So the word mind is very is Greek comes from the word you know noose and it's very intellectual basically it's not and whereas of the biblical tradition everything resides

and comes from the heart whereas in Greek it tends to come from the mind tends to be more abstract and intellectual so the heart as I said you got the the inte is integrated emotion intellect and will yeah so everything's integrated when you talk about things from perspective heart where mind is much more of emphasis just upon intellect. Okay. Yet the Lord set his heart in love upon your fathers again. And again, this is after the mistake that Saul made when God said he wanted to choose another king. God said to Samuel, "And I'll raise up for myself a faithful priest who shall do according to what is in my heart

and in my mind." So again, God is looking for people who understand his heart and can respond to his heart and can do what is in his heart. Really understand him. And that's what David was like. King David was like that kind of a person. He had this kind of relationship with God. A heartfelt hearty relationship with God. And again, now I've chosen and consecrated this house, a temple that my name may be there forever. My eyes and my heart will be there for all time. Okay, there we are. So again, what do human beings?

So again, looking trying to find out the nature of God. What do and looking at the human nature, what is it that human beings want? Well, you have this original mind and our mind pursues beauty, truth and goodness. Again, so this is these are the traditional Greek values, beauty, truth and goodness, the Greek categories of the nature of the mind. So where does the drive to pursue beauty, truth and goodness come from? Well, it suggests that if God created us in his image and likeness, then God is also a God of beauty, truth,

and goodness. So which one do we usually emphasize? Truth. Truth. Well, that's only a third of our spiritual life is studying the truth. One third of our spiritual life is the pursuit and creation of beauty. Another third of us living a spiritual life is going around doing good. Yeah. So often our focus is very much upon the truth. But actually it's only one/ird. We should also be play musical instruments, singing. So when you look at the worship service, you know, that's the way it should be. Not just the study of the scripture

but also the creation of truth, the creation of beauty through art. Again, if you go into good, you know, beautiful religious places, extraordinary art, extraordinary dances, extraordinary music, extraordinary singing, that's where culture comes from the cult. The cult is a place where people worship. And so people found all sorts how do people worship God? People worship God through their words. People worship God through music. People worship God through singing. People worship God through painting, through dancing, all sorts of different ways in which people found to worship God.

And this became the basis of culture. Yeah. The what was most valuable and important within a culture. Yes. And so as these different things became separated from the divine, then often the quality became, you know, rather less. But you if you look at some of the greatest works of culture in human history, they're all nearly always connected to to the worship of God. And then goodness of course means you actually you know what did James say? Faith without works is dead. Yeah. So indeed that's onethird of our spiritual life.

But not so you can't just focus on any one of these three. Actually they all need to be harmonized together. We need to you divide our time, our mind, our whatever up amongst these three. Okay. So what about values? Well, people seek eternal, unchanging and absolute values. Question is why? Why should we finite temporal beings search for things which are eternal and unchanging and absolute? We live in a relative world. Because I suppose God is also eternal, unchanging and absolute is God's character.

And God wants us human beings also to be eternal, unchanging and absolute. So what is the natural world like? So we looked at that a bit already. Let's have another look. We can see the natural world is a cosmos, not a chaos. So cosmos means it's orderly. It's not chaotic. When you study the natural world, you can find laws and patterns, law, order, principle. So where do these laws come from? So you know scientists discover the laws. But the question is why does nature follow these laws? Why are the why can you discern these patterns?

So you know God who created the universe is a god of order, law and principle. And so the most complex thing in the entire universe is the human brain. Did you know that part of you is more complicated than any other part of the entire universe? Isn't that amazing? More complicated than a computer. So again summarizing the nature of God. God is a dual characteristics of internal nature and external form. But emphasizing God. These characteristics are in harmony because God is one. the oneness of God.

And so in Christianity is called God's essence and God's energies. Okay. So again we're repeating it here. Who is God? An eternal unchanging absolute self-existing being with intellect, emotion, and will directed by heart. A true parent with a desire to give and receive true love and relationship with human beings. and also a true creator using total investment of heart and energy for the benefit of the objects of his creation especially human beings. I do have a problem with God is unchanging

that for me it's a static thing whereas you know I find that it's more easy for me to understand more flexible it's a contradiction so to speak it's unchanging in as far as the love lot of things but it's also yes changeable because we change right and so God is yeah so one can talk in the principle about the gods unchanging yes what do you call these two different quadruple bases Martin the identity maintaining that's right you talk about in the principle the identity maintaining quadruple base

and developing quadruple base within God so that God is unchanging but also God is through the I mean you can imagine over the last however many tens of thousands of years God has had all kinds of experiences through his interaction with us which he never had before. So in that sense God is changing but as you said God's love for us is unchanging. Yes. It is well it's not it's just both just as it is with us. You know, you you may have you have children. You may love your children unconditionally,

but as the as the years go by, your experiences with children change and so you change as a parent. You become a different person, but you're loved in relation, right? So, it's not a contradiction. It's just it's just the way things are. So, what about relationships then? So, we're going to have a look at this universal prime force. So, talk in the principle about the fundamental energy of God's being. Okay. Okay, this means that this because God's of this then God is a self-existing being. God doesn't need anything

and God is completely self-existing. God doesn't need anything because God has all the energy and the power within himself to be a self-existing. He doesn't receive energy or need energy from anywhere else. That make sense? And this universal prime force then is the acting energy of God's hyong. So we looked at the creating energy of God's hyong sang the energy which went into the creation of the natural world the universe. This is like the acting energy of God's hyong or external form that causes give

and take action which we'll look at in a bit more in a moment. So this universal prime force then is the origin of all the forces which you find in the universe. So how many fundamental forces are there? Four. Four. What are they David? Magnetic who? Electromagnetism. Yeah. Yes. Yes. Weak and strong nuclear forces. Yeah. Four. Anyway, so these are so God then God's universal prime force, the origin of all these forces enable created beings to exist. So what are scientists trying to do now? Yeah, they're trying to come up with an equation which is able to integrate all the these four different forces.

So who was the scientist who um unified electrical and magnetic forces? H was it? No. Bo came up with the ideas of quantum mechanics. Go on. Who studied physics? 1870 about Maxwell. Maxwell. That's right. That's right. He integrated electricity and magnetism because he saw through his experiments that you move a you move a metal wire through a magnetic field it generates electrical force. So you can see they were connected and came up with an equation to unify them. Anyway, so that's what scientists are trying to do this kind of equation or for a super force is like they're trying to come up with a mathematical equation to describe God to describe the universal prime force of God. That's what scientists are pursuing in this.

So this universal prime force then it directs all interactions towards unity and I'll explain this a bit in a minute is a vertical force. It directs towards higher levels and greater levels of complexity. So we looked at this I think last week did we? The in the in the inherent direction of nature directs thing directs atoms to form relationship with other atoms to form molecules. The molecules to form relationship other molecules to get more complex molecules until eventually you get organic molecules

and then development through evolution um to plants, animals and finally human beings. So this is the universal prime force which is initiating force directing to higher and higher greater and greater levels of complexity. So as St. Paul said, for in him we live and move and have our being. Yeah. So if there were no forces, could we exist? We couldn't couldn't exist without the force of gravity. And so we live and we move and have our being within the universal prime force of God. That sort of idea.

And so evil then also has no independent existence. Evil is just a distortion of these good forces. Evil doesn't have any independent existence. You know, God created Lucifer, the good angel for a good purpose, but he went in the wrong direction. He became corrupted. So, evil is just the corruption of the good. There's no independent evil forces or existence. Satan can't create anything. So, what is give and take action then? Well, we have a subject and object, which I forgot to talk about last week very much. You need in order to have give

and take, you need a subject and object. So where can you think of an example of this? Here in this room, right? Who's the subject? Right. So, but if I was just here doing this by myself, what would you do? If I came here every Wednesday and sat here by myself giving a lecture. Yes. And after a while, what would you probably do? Call you up. Yes. You call the men in the white coats to come and take me away. So anyway, basically subject no objects just about conversation really. If you want to have a conversation, the person who initiates the conversation is a subject. The person responds as the object. You have a subject, object, give

and take, initiating and responding. So in that sense, the subject decides the topic of conversation. So, if you're sitting in a in a train carriage and you might want to talk to somebody opposite you, you have to come up with a topic of conversation that everybody's interested in. The weather. Exactly. And then you move on from that and then you know you talk about the weather that everybody's interested in the weather. They'll say something. You talk about the weather for a while and then you try

and come up with some other convers top topic of conversation. You may think, I wonder if they're interested in football. So you may talk about that and they start talking about cricket. Oh, okay. You can't have a conversation like that. So when you find something that you both have, you're both interested in, you have a very good conversation. And after just an hour sitting in a train carriage with somebody, you can feel really close to somebody. If the conversation goes really well and you get this flow of spirit, you really enjoy being with this person. Say, you know, can we meet up again? Time passes. Time passes really quickly

because of this the flow of spirit. Yeah. Do you do you prefer the phrase initiating and responding to giving and receiving? Well, giving and receiving is only one half one arrow, isn't it? Give it's the top giving and receiving is the top arrow. You give and you receive. That's it. Where's the bottom arrow? That's not a very good expression, is it? Now that's a piece of heresy for you. Originally it was give and take. Well, originally it was give and take. But again, give and take. It's only the top arrow, isn't it? You give

and I take. That's the principle of give and take. It's actually giving initiating, responding, I think is a much better. Personally, you know, nuance. I think it's more nuance. Well, it's a personally I think it's a better description of what is going on or what ought to be going on anyway. I don't giving receiving. And I think it's just one way. Well, it's implied that the same happens again. Well, but but it's not. You see because you're responding the idea the subject initiates the the topic of the conversation.

So, you're responding to what they say. It's not that they're gives love and the object returns beauty. So, we're giving back beauty. Well, that's in a particular case, but just in general conversation, the way you respond is by being beautiful. It's but it's Yeah. or giving attention. Uh yes. But anyway, I just think it's a better way of I think you're right about the giving and receiving because you can actually give you can give but people might not receive. Mhm. So there has to be. Oh yeah. It has to be the receiver. Giving

and receiving. Yes. Yeah. That's that's what giving back and receiving back. Yes. But when I say responding, it means you're reacting to what they've done as opposed to, oh, you you talk about football and I'll listen to what you have to say about football. Then when it's my turn to talk, I'll talk about cricket and you Yeah. I feel like it's a better way to express the relationship between a man and a woman because men are kind of active and more gives attention maybe in the dating stages. Anyway, the mans

that has to go out for a day, not the man. You know what I did find is when you sit on a train anyway it's just I'm more interested more in this in in general terms. Yeah, you can you can take it to specific cases, but if we look think of it more in sort of generalities, I think this is, you know, it's initiating responding, you know. Yeah. Subject and object. But anyway, so what are the principles of give and take? All relationships need a subject and object. If you have two subjects, which is like you talk about one thing

and I'll talk about a different thing at the same time, there's no there's no conversation. Or you get two people who are very objective waiting to be spoken to. In other words, they're waiting to be introduced. Like English people, you know the joke about two English people on island, they never speak to each other because there's nobody there to introduce them. So you need for any conversation your subject someone has to take the initiative both. You can't have a relationship without both. It's not

that one is more valuable or more important than the other. They're equally valuable and equally necessary to have a relationship subject and object because one starts initiates it and one responds. So all relationships then need subject and object and they also need a common base to form a relationship topic topic common topic of conversation common interests common language these sorts of things. Um giving precedes receiving. So you know this is a principle you should give before you expect to receive. If somebody's not giving

then you can't receive. So giving comes first and then receiving and the and then if this happens I said love flows between the subject and object and this brings the subject and object into oneness into unity. So as the love flows you feel drawn to drawn to this person. Yes. And if as you astutely observe there you're having a conversation with Peter in a train carriage the you know people get drawn together through the give and take the this giving and the taking gets deeper and deeper and this sense you want to become one with this person. Yeah.

So it's one love that brings this subject and object into oneness and into unity and oneness. So nature and subject and object positions. So the subject then I knew I was going to cover almost somewhere I didn't add this I didn't add this this week it was already there I just haven't got around to it last week so subject is initial initiates the relationship is guiding protective the object is more external stimulator response is supportive and the value of the positions is fulfilled through their unity

and so they have equal value let's look in a bit more detail here and so you get the subject and object then and it's God then is present in through the give and receive or given any give and receive action as Jesus said for where two or three are come together in my name there I am with them so when there's unity between your mind and body you can feel the presence of God where there's unity between husband and wife you can feel the presence of the Holy Spirit of God where there's unity in the family you can feel an atmosphere Yes. Sometimes at a football match or in a concert, you feel this atmosphere, this extraordinary thing

that is created by a band or an orchestra playing in harmony and oneness of spirit with each other. You get this incredible outpouring of spirit coming from the stage and this incredible sense of oneness. Yeah. And you feel this presence. It's something invisible, but you can feel this invisible presence. It's like this uh the presence of God. So it's through this then that God is present in the world. So give and receive relationships then they are horizontal but the universal prime force is vertical.

So how does this work? So just read on a bit there still trying to work out how to structure these slides. So the given receive within the subject and object are caused by the universal prime force which initiates the relationship between the subject and object. So if we go back, I really need to have that little quote there over here. So okay, so you got subject and object. Just imagine these are two human beings. So what's a subject and object within a human being? Mind body. Mind body. Okay.

So if you have good give and take within your mind and body, if you have unity of mind and body, this generates energy. So if you see somebody you'll probably want to initiate a relationship with them. But if on the other hand you're completely your mind and body are not united, you're completely distracted, your mind is somewhere else and somebody walks into the room, what will you do? You'll ignore them. Yes. Whereas when there's this good mind and body unity, when you're present in the now, when you concentrate in your focus, there's this energy to oh, you see somebody, you greet them, you welcome them, you interact with them.

So the give and take within the subject and the give and take within the object initiate the relationship between the subject and object. Does that make sense? So you have two individuals and they initiate who are a good mind body unity. It initiates a relationship and then you have a higher level of being. You have a friends or a couple. Yes. And then you get more and more people. You may get a community when there's all this interaction going on. Yes. You may get to your community or for example you get a family jump to a community yet. You get a family

and you get a family. They all get on with each other. They enjoy each other's company. What do families that are happy and enjoy each other's company usually do? Sorry. They gather together. They gather together. They make friends with other families. Yes. And they invite other families around. And you get enough families that are interested in each other, support each other, do stuff together. You get a sense of community where you support each other. When you get a community spirit, you know,

and community structures, you may get one community saying, "Why don't we, we can't do all this by ourselves. Why don't we partner with another community over there?" Or there's another community over there could do with our help. So, let's reach out. And so, not everybody obviously will do it, but some part will go and do something together. And you get several communities interacting with each other, working together, supporting each other. You get a sense of society. You get societies, you know, from different parts of the country interacting with each other. You get a sense of a nation.

So it's all bottom up. Yeah. Individual, family, community, society, nation, finally your sense of world. And it's a bottom up. The universal prime force initiating these relationships one level to the next. That's why we talk about universal prime force being a vertical force because it's going from one level up to another level. It's not you got more human beings. It's just that you got these two individual human beings now become a couple. You go into church, you get married, you come out a couple, you know,

then you have a family, you do multiply a few more. But then, you know, when you get these different levels, it's not that they're more people, it's just the relationships are better, different. Yeah. That's what universal prime force is. When you say universal prime force is vertical force then so give and take then is a horizontal force and then when you have this good give and take between two individuals they might want to multiply have a family good give and take within the family horizontally might want to form a relationship with other families you know

then get a higher level of existence of community that make sense so oh yeah the give and take then generates the forces for existence action and multiplication which is what I has been saying we got good. So let's have a look. Force to give and take to exist. Human beings exist through the give and take of in breathing in and breathing out. You stop breathing. You're dead. You might think, well, I need lots of oxygen. I'm just going to breathe in. But you know, you have to breathe out as well. Say the blood circulates. As long as the blood is circulating, you exist. You're alive. You eat

and you excrete. A marriage exists because there's give and receive between a husband and wife. when it breaks down you there isn't a marriage anymore. A nation exists because all the people share language, history, values, humor, you legitimate government and they have relationships on all these different levels. So people from one end of the country will actually go to the defense of people at on the other end of the country even though they don't know them personally or they may never been to

that part of the country before. They do that because they feel this is our people of our nationality. Yeah. They feel a sense of loyalty to them. Yeah. It's the way it works. Because of this give and take. So the economy is also based on give and receive between producers and consumers, buyers and sellers. As you go into a shop, you know, you don't say, "Well, give me that." You say, "Well, I'll exchange, you know, my £5 note for, you know, what can you get for £5 these days?" Piece of meat. A steak. Well, not much of a steak. Anyway, buying

and selling is give and take. Producing and consuming is about give and take. And in the same in the body, circulation forces give and take generates energy to be able to act. Good good mind and body unity. The energy to be able to act and do things. Energy to cooperate between families, groups, energy to engage in social action. You know, if an army has a good morale, it's an effective army. And uh to multiply again poll and egg come together get a seed a man and a woman you creates a child.

And so this is a dynamic process of reproduction. The origin seed grows becomes statement and pistol divides united again get a new seed. So that's the way it works. Origin division union. That's how development and reproduction takes place. And so you get this hierarchy of creation. And yet God the source of energy universal prime force creates particles, atoms molecules minerals plants animals, people form relationship with God. The ultimate purpose of give and receive action is to have subject

and object unite and to develop to a greater and higher dimension. So greater and higher levels of dimensions come about through this give and take. That's the whole energy behind the process of evolution. And so this give and receive action then subject and object centered on purpose. And one last part so I forget about that. So significance for position foundation it's the way God operates in the creation based on existence action and reproduction of all beings and fulfillment of God's purpose of creation

and the realization of beauty, truth and goodness. Okay, talked a bit too long there. I just wanted to try and get to the end. That's all right. So, any questions or should we have us some tea and coffee? Is this a break or is it what is it a break? No, it's a tea. It is not a break. Question. Yes. When a subtit can you say an actual new thing comes into existence? Uh, sometimes yes, sometimes no. For example, when when When a mind and body unite, can you say that something is coming to existence which didn't exist before?

Uh with it human beings. Yeah. Yes. But I mean yes and no. I mean when when a couple get married I mean nothing new is coming into existence but we call them a couple. So it's a higher level of existence. And of course when they you know unite in other ways then yes sometimes they have children. So it's another a lot of pictures come into existence. I'm thinking in terms of I'm trying to understand how God exists on a certain plane and if we aren't united mind and body the reason why we can't communicate directly with him is

because we're sort of disassembled but when we our mind and body unites in proper oneness we elevate to a certain plane the same plane that God is on then we can communicate freely uh partly but not completely. there because yes mind body unity is necessary and then God is present in because God's present on every level well God is present through the universal prime force and it's a universal prime force from that initiates this give and take and when it initiates it so you get unity then yes

and God can be present so can be present in your relationship as an individual or with you can experience God in your relationship with other people feel God's presence is there in that through the universal prime force one manifestation of which is love. One manifestation is magnetism, electricity but you know higher and higher higher levels you get it's love is an expression of that universal prime force at the most complex level. Would you say that our ability and capacity to reciprocate that difference between us reciprocating talking to a group can only respond bouncing back waves not sure something say based on our capacity to respond, right?

Uh yeah, partly it's the same with with any human being, you know, you and basically as long as you got the same language, you can talk to anybody, but there's certain things you can talk to some people about and you feel you can't talk about other things. But you know, hopefully we long to find somebody with whom we can share everything. So some people, you know, you meet like this. Yeah. Some people you meet it's like this little bit like we connect on that level or I connect on that level you know collect about this

but we hope to find somebody which we which we can connect to on every level emotionally psychological interest we really just you want to just spend your whole life with this person you feel this person is like part of you your other half in that sense you feel complete when you're with this person because that person fits everywhere and so should be like that with God as well. So you know that's but that's why God has talked no I talk about next week it's why God gave human beings the three blessings

that through fulfilling the three blessings we can relate to God like that on every level and then you can achieve this oneness with God because we have the potential to have the capacity to receive God's love to the max. But up until now, we've received God's love, but we haven't had the capacity to be able to receive it properly and accept it and respond on that level. Uh, you know, Jesus could, father can, but you know, everybody else's, you know, our capacity to be able to receive and accept

and and respond to God on the level at which God loves us is we haven't, you know, everybody's level is different. And so that's what it is to become an embodiment of God's heart to grow up. Yeah. That energy gets created for a society or a family comes together. It's not a physical energy. It's in the physical world, but it's spiritual. Energy is energy. It's all different aspects of the of the universal prime force. all aspects of the energy of the power of God but just on different levels between protons

and electrons it's just electrical energy because protons and electrons are very simple but with human beings we have far more complex and so we can channel and manifest a universal prime force at a far deeper level than just proton and electron can. Although they're the same energy, there are some energies scientists can register and measure, but some energies they can't such as universal prime force. Well, the universal prime force is the is a force behind all these other energies. So what they are measuring is an expression of the universal prime force. Okay, it's part of it. It's

that particular expression, the electrical or whatever. So they're trying to get come up with an equation they can integrate the whole thing because the moment these they got these four different or they got these equations and they describe this well and they describe that well but since they ought to be an equation which is able to integrate all these all the other equations as well but they just haven't got haven't got there yet. Methodology has been so reductionist over the years that they're not really

uh they haven't really until very recently to think in terms of relationship. What is actually the relationship between them? And once they relate, are they still the same force or is Yeah. I mean, yeah, I mean I don't know enough about it, but been a long time since I read about it, but yeah. Anyway, that's what they're generally speaking they're pursuing. Yeah. So, you're saying energy is energy, but just different? Uh energy is energy but it manifests in different in different ways. Yeah. Yes. Well, yes. Yeah. I I think so. I don't think you have to do anything to commune with God to be at one with God or to find I think we all in our own way. find

that that soul within us. We don't have to search for it because it's already there. But um I mean I don't particularly feel that I need to raise my level consciousness to be able to find God or know God. Yeah. But sometimes people aren't in touch with the deeper part of themselves. They're cut off from the deeper part of themselves. You know, that's it's still there. It's still there, but I'm just saying they're not in contact with it. It's kind of blocked in some way. And it's a lot of spiritual exercises

that help people to come into contact meditation and various things to help people to come in to find the stillness as peace. So they can become integrated. They're not distracted. They can focus. They can concentrate. They be in touch with levels with which they weren't in touch with before which ultimately becomes the divine. Yeah. Martin. Yeah. As you mentioned earlier, you mentioned about identity containing base identity developing base and recently been talking about the god of night and the god of day. Uh-huh. You get the feeling

that religious people or very spiritual people have been able to somehow discover the God of night in the sense that they come to know God very personal you know relationship but then when it comes to actually developing that according to the potential which has been existing there beginning there's maybe there some limitation so that relationships for instance in you know, men, women relationships or, you know, it's like the god of night has been, you can discover the god of night. Maybe couldn't really extend

that maybe in a very satisfactory way. So, what does the god of day mean to you then? Well, for me it means that the potential which exists in creation uh is coming. The possibility is coming more into the attention perhaps. Okay. So you're thinking god of night. So often when people pray or meditate they close their eyes and this sort of thing. You think that's the god of night and also for instance you can have a very deep experience of god in one day particular moment but then how how far you carry that? How long you

and can carry that into relationships. Mhm. Yeah. You know, loving stranger, you know, being moved by something that happens to certain extent that you're actually motivated to do something about it. Yeah. It doesn't translate into something. Um, yeah. And some people it doesn't, some people it doesn't. I mean, in a sense, God's creation is still in process. Very much in process. Sure. Um, yeah, I think we're all a work in process. Most of the work nowadays is dedicated towards adding extra lines to our faces.

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