Chambumo-ron Lectures & Discussion 5th April 2025 - Session 4/4

resto the heavenly lineage and um again that's taking a particular theology and then imposing that upon the Bible and interpreting the Bible in that particular way which is very different to the uh the Jewish understanding the Hebrew Bible and it's also different to the Christian understanding of the Bible as well. That's the sort of thing going on. So basically what is the significance of the biblical myth? This is the biblical myth compared to the gnostic myth or the Christian myth. God creates created the universe. God created Adam

and Eve. They're not begotten. All humanities descended from Adam and Eve. So that's a nice thing. Judaism started with who? Abraham. Abraham found of Judaism and also Christianity. Islam came from there. But the Bible doesn't start with Abraham. It starts with Adam and Eve. Yeah. This is really important. It means from a biblical point of view, every single human being irrespective of their race, their religion or their nationality is a son or daughter of God. Yeah, that's really important. This is the way it is. All humanity descended from Adam

and Eve. So and every single human being then is a son or daughter of God. And then it has uh the myth of Noah and the flood and God make and after the flood then God makes a covenant rainbow thing with all of humanity and gives five laws or was it seven laws seven laws I think that all human beings should observe and then later on you have Abraham comes along in the beginning of this particular lineage. So despite that, God saying, "I'm the God of Abraham, Isaac, and Jacob." Still in the Bible, God identifies himself

and says, "All human beings are still God's people." And so when Moses has his confrontation with Pharaoh, he said, "God says, Israel is my firstborn son. That's it. All everybody else, all other human beings are still my children. It's just it picked out this particular group for a particular purpose, chosen for a particular purpose. But that doesn't mean that all the other human beings aren't God's sons and daughters. As Jesus said, God sends the rain on the good and the bad. They're all God's children.

And so in that sense the Bible is not a Nazi where oh it's this race is the chos you know it's every single human being or son or daughter of God irrespect of their race, nationality, color or anything else. That's one of the great things about the Bible which is quite different to lots of other traditions which emphasize a particular lineage starts in a particular place and all the other people are not part of that lineage. That's sort of end up with Nazism, you know, and some races are higher than other races. If you're an Aryan, you're okay. If you're a Slav, you're not.

And if you're Jew, you're not even a human being. Okay. That's not a biblical way. Okay. So, heavenly parent had a dream from the very beginning. Yep. Desire to create an eternal world where love could be shared with heavenly parents, children experiencing joy and happiness together. Yep. However, Adam and Eve failed to keep the commandment regarding the tree of knowledge of good and evil. And this led to a world of satanic lineage. H it's not the biblical way of looking at it. Satanic lineage. You're still God's sons

and daughters. And father himself said, you know, the only thing is we don't realize it. People don't realize that they're God's sons and God's daughters. They don't realize that God loves them unconditionally. When you start talking about a satanic lineage, you end up moving into Nazi ideology. To be honest, it's not good. Heavenly parent established the nation of Israel to restore the heavenly lineage. I mean here the biblical vision, Mosaic vision is about establishing world of peace and justice, not about lineage, it's about peace

and justice. Heavenly parent who's the same in the beginning and end chose Israel as a chosen people among fallen humanity to restore the heavenly lineage. A chosen people of Israel has a mission of being the central nation for the birth of the only begotten son and the only begotten daughter. So that's a different interpretation. That's not how the Jews see themselves. That's not how they see their place in God's providence. They see that they were chosen by God according to the biblical tradition of bringing truth

and love to humanity. Teaching people about God and teaching people about the moral law. Yeah. And every human being should observe the seven laws given to a to Noah whereas the Jews got extra burden placed on them. Lots of extra laws which they should observe. So this idea here that's not the anyway it's I said it's a different way of a different kind of theology being imposed on part of the biblical tradition. Heavenly parent established the chosen people of Israel to restore their heavenly lineage. Heavenly parent established conditions by representing the side of good

and setting terms against the representative of evil. Subduing the side of evil. So again it's uncomfortable. We say this nation's good, that nation's evil. But biblical understanding actually every single human being is a mixture of good and evil. Every single nation also as well. And so in the Bible, in the Old Testament, there quite a lot of references to the good things of other nations that weren't Jews. It's not unusual. So there's that story of God. Who's the one who went to this other capital

and fasted? What was that? Jonah. That's right. Jonah the Jew. God told him to go off to Nineveh. And he went off to Nineveh. And he told them, "If you don't mend your ways, God is going to destroy the city." And so he went off there and they repented. They put on sackcloth and ashes. and he sat on this hill and and the city wasn't destroyed and it's really disappointed. And the whole message of this is don't have to be Jewish to be good. Look at these people who are not Jews. They listened to the Jewish prophet who came

and told them this and they changed. They repented and changed. That's a whole biblical understanding. Every single human being, every single nation has the opportunity and the possibility of being coming like that. Nobody has a monopoly on good. Nobody has a monopoly on badness. Through absolute faith, the important event of restoring the lineage was achieved in the blessed family of Abraham who followed the heavenly parent as a source of blessing. Yeah. Abraham had absolute faith in God. Restoration of the birthright through Jacob

and Esau and the restoration of the womb of Oh my goodness. Is this the right slide set or not? Yeah, I guess it is. Um, there lots of things here I should have added. The restoration of the birthright through Jacob Niss and the restoration of the womb of Tamon Perez were all steps in the preparation of the birth of the only begotten son and the only begotten daughter. That's interesting story here. Anyway, Rebecca, the wife of Isaac, deceived her husband and firstborn Esau so that her younger son, Jacob, could receive the blessing

and restore the birthight. Okay. Rebecca was not supposed to do that. Do you know this story? Well, let's go and dig it out. I meant to I'm sorry I'm behind. Didn't realize I was going to get this far. Okay, let's go back. William, how how can we say a satanic lineage? Because I mean, we know Satan was the fallen archangel. Uhhuh. But Adam and Eve were created by God. Yes. They were created by God. They were still God's children after the fall. God still loved Adam and Eve just as much as he did before. Rather say a bad lineage or a bad race rather than a fallen lineage. Yeah, I would agree. It's the I mean the original lineage were good until he had a relationship with Yeah.

So it became corrupted. Yes. And so people are born with this sort of damage you might say. And the love they receive from the parents was often you know you can look at programs you can read about it sometimes uh parents really mistreat their children abuse their children and you you come across people who become pedophiles and this that and the other. You find out about their own childhood and you find often they themselves were sexually abused and damaged. And so in that sense, this kind of damage gets passed on through

that particular family, that particular lineage. But at the end of the day, this person's still the son or daughter of God. It's really breaks God's heart when he sees this happening to a child. And obviously, it breaks his heart when he sees this person growing up damaged and going and doing the same thing to another child. And so it's just heartbreaking that still God's children, you know, just as if, you know, if one has one's own children, they go and, you know, commit some crime, they're still your children. Parents still, you know, go

and visit them in prison, you know, and still love them unconditionally. Um, so to say that, oh, you're now part of Satan's lineage. I'm cutting you off. There are some parents who do that. You're no longer my son. you're no longer my daughter. That's because you're part is that's that kind of thing. That's not the way God is. So to say someone is now part of Satan's lineage, it implies they're no longer part of God's lineage. It implies they're no longer God's son or daughter. It implies that God no longer loves them anymore

because of all these bad things which they or their ancestors have done. But that's not the biblical understanding. Jesus said God sends rain on the on the good and the bad. God loves every single human being. So in that sense, the idea of satanic lineage is Nazi. You know, okay, the Jews are not human beings. Let's go and exterminate them all. That's the way you end up if you think if you talk in those kind of terms. And I don't think it's a good way to talk about things to be honest. Well, that's unfortunately what are people who do talk about things like that. Okay.

So let's have a look at this Jacob Nau story then restoring a relationship between Adam and the archangel and we'll go talk about it basically what it is the archangel is the older brother uh older than Adam was younger position so Isaac and Rebecca then they got married had two children Rebecca got pregnant after many many years and had uh twins Jacob And you saw she said two nations and they're not they're not what do you call it? They're not identical twins there. Nonidentical twin non identical twins. Yeah. One had a hairy skin

and the other didn't. That's how you can tell. Two nations are in your womb. Two peoples born of you shall be divided. One shall be stronger than the other. The elder shall serve the younger. Not going to talk about that. Okay. What needs to be restored here? The relationship between the archangel Adam. Adam had to win the respect of the archangel to become the lord of creation. So before uh Adam, God created Adam and Eve. The archangels were the ones who managed the development of the universe. He managed the natural world. It's all run by the archangels.

So God wanted Adam to become the lord of creation. So in order to do that, he had to win the respect of the archangel. He didn't do that. So Jacob in the position of Adam has to restore the birthright by winning the respect of Esau, his older brother who is in the position of the archangel and become the elder brother, head of the family. That's useful in English. You have older and elder. Older is just by chronological age. Elder is by seniority of status. So he had he could never become the older brother,

but he had to become the elder brother, which means he had to win Esau's love and respect. So Esau would regard him as being a better qualified to be the head of the family than he was. So the problem started off. The boys grew up. Esau became a skillful hunter, a man of the outdoors, but Jacob was a mild man who stayed at home among the tents. Isaac had a taste for wild game. loved Esau, but Rebecca loved Jacob because he was at home doing the washing up, I guess, helping out in the kitchen.

So, what is a birthright? So, Isaac tells his sons about the birthight. So, this is the right to be the the next head of the family and it belongs to the oldest son naturally. You know, that's just the way it works generally speaking. So Jacob then he acquired the birthright. So how did you do that? So one day Jacob was cooking a stew. Esau came in from the field hungry. Esau said to Jacob, "Give me some of that stew. I'm starving." Jacob said, "Let's trade my stew for your birthright as the first for your rights as a firstborn." Esau said, "I am starving. What good is a birthright to me if I'm dead?" Jacob said, "First, swear it to me. I want it in writing."

And he did. On oath, Esau traded away his rights as a firstborn. Jacob gave him bread and lentil stew. He ate and drank, got up and left. That's how Esau gave away his rights as the firstborn. What do you think about that? by his body. Yeah. So, you know, he said, "I'm starving. I'm going to die." Well, you could just made yourself a peanut butter and jam sandwich. You know, he wasn't he wasn't skin and bone like he come out of a death camp, you know. He was just hungry. Really hungry. Starving. I'm going to die. Oh yeah, I don't mind, you know, selling my birthright for the sake of, you know, some lentil stew. Didn't appreciate his birthight. He didn't appreciate it. He didn't value it. Didn't understand, you know, he was just very much dominated by physical kind of desire

and didn't really understand who he was or the meaning of this was. So, who is the more intelligent of the two? Hac Jacob. He had a brain like a businessman. Okay, I'll sell it. So, did he steal it? No, he didn't do anything unethical. I mean, it's, you know, questionable, but he didn't steal it. This is important. He did not steal the birthight. He bought it cheap. So, he was a good businessman in that sense. [Music] Um, and Esau was not very intelligent and uh he could have just waited and done something different.

So that's the way it worked out. Okay, that's how Jacob got the birthright. Was there another way in which he got to got the birthright? So let's think about this. So first of all, let's look at the original nature of Cain. The original nature of Abel. So Cain is not bad. Cain is just the older brother. Abel is just the younger brother. Okay. So normally, how does the younger brother look towards his older brother? You got I'm sure you got an expert here. How what's the relationship between older brothers

and younger brothers? The elder is more in charge. The older is more in charge. Yeah. And they have to take care of the Has to take care of the younger ones. Yeah. So it's different, isn't it? Yeah. So the original nature of an older brother is to love his younger brother, take care of his younger brother, help his younger brother if he needs some help with his school work. They go to school and you know the younger brother gets bullied in the playground. What does the older brother do? Beat up. Beat up the bully. Okay, that's the way it works.

And you know, it's the way it's supposed to work. You have to look after and protect your younger brother. And then if that's the way the older brother is, then how does the younger brother feel about the older brother? He looks up to him. Yeah. Respects him. So So it's natural for the older brother to love the younger brother, but the younger brother also has to be lovable. Yeah. And um you know also the younger brother needs to be humble because the older brother is the older brother. And it may be the case

that the younger brother is more intelligent than the older brother. Supposing the younger brother's better at maths than the older brother, how should the younger brother behave if he's better at maths than his older brother? So if the older brother loves his younger brother and he realizes actually my younger brother's better at math than I am. So if I and the older brother respects his younger brother because the younger brother is actually humble looks up to him and hero worships him then the older brother might say look you're better at math than I am can you come

and help me with my maths and a younger brother say yes I'm happy to do that okay that's the original nature of the younger brother to want to help their older brother you know to do what he's better at doing than his older brother is and so the older brother then wants to be guided by his younger brother by Abel and Abel's happy to share his int intelligence and his knowledge and everything and they want to work together and become cooperative. So we try and imagine well walking out hunting he came back starving.

So what does that show about his ability to go and hunt food? Very good. H he's very good but was he? Oh you mean he didn't get any? He didn't catch any he didn't he went out hunting didn't catch anything. And again when it when Isaac later on wanted him to go and hunt a deer or something, you know, he was out for ages, you know, because he wasn't actually a very good hunter. He's big and strong with lots of muscles. Actually wasn't very good at it. And so how do you think Abel then sorry Jacob

then was in the kitchen? You know he's got a he's got you know what do you call it when he's shopping list you know can he go and get this and this and this and this and Jacob and Esau didn't come back with the you the food he's supposed to come back with so Jacob has a struggle what am I going to make for dad I'm making some y lentil soup actually dad likes eating meat which is why he liked Esau because Esau went and brought in the meat from time to time. So, Jacob's having to, you know, give poor old Isaac a vegetarian or vegan meal.

And so, Jacob then, does he look up to Esau? No. He thinks Esau's big, strong, but he's lazy. He's not very clever. He goes out to bring in the food and he doesn't come back with the food. So, he looks down on his older brother. Yeah. These doesn't respect him. So, what should have happened? This is what should have happened. Jacob should have thought, "Oh, my my older brother, he's really strong and brave. He goes out and hunts the hunts deer where the wild animals are. I'm too scared to do that. I really He really looks up to his older brother. I admire your older brother. I think you're a hero going out where the wild animals are

and you bring back the meat." But I noticed that some days you go out hunting, you don't come back with anything. And so Jacob should have thought, "Okay, let's see if I can think of a a way, a good idea to help my older brother." And so Jacob could have said to Esau, "Look, Esau, older brother, I had an idea. How about finding out where the animals walk, the cows or whatever it walk on their trail and dig a hole, big hole in the ground, and then cover the hole with branches and leaves and hide in a bush.

So when a cow comes along and along the trail and steps on the branches and the leaves, it'll fall into the b into the hole and you can kill it and we'll have enough meat for the whole month. And he sort of thought, "Oh man, I never thought of that before. That's a really good idea. Will you come and explain it to me in more detail to help me to do it?" Okay, let's go and let's go and do it together. and then thought, okay, let's set up a business and we can call it the meat market in the Middle East, you know, become partners working together. Yeah.

And then as they were working together, Esau, the muscle, Jacob with the brains, then he sort of thought, I'm the oldest son and one day mom and dad are going to die. God forbid. One day they're going to die and I'm going to become the head of the family. But actually, my younger brother, he's got more brains and and and intelligence than I have. He'd be a better head of the family than me. And so eventually, Esau would have gone along to say to Isaac and Jacob, "Look, mom and dad, I know I'm older. I know I got the I got the birthight. I know when you die, you one day I'm going to be the head of the family."

But to be honest, Jacob is much better than I am. He'd be a much better head of the family than I would. He's much better at organizing things. He's much better at making good decisions. He's much wiser than I am. I want to give my birthright to Jacob. That's what should have happened. Jacob should have won the birthight by from Esau by winning Esau's love and respect. That make sense? Instead of just buying it on the cheap. Yeah. That's what should have happened. Okay. So, that's the original nature, original nature of Cain, original nature of Abel. Abel

then Jacob then was rather arrogant. He looked down on his brother. He disrespected his brother and so it's very difficult for Esau to you know cooperate and work like that. Anyway, sometime later Rebecca overhears overhears Isaac. Isaac wants to bless Esau. He said I'm an old man. I might die any day now. Do me a favor, he says to Esau. Go out and hunt some game. Because he liked the meat. Then make me a hearty meal, the kind that you know I like, not like this lentils Jacob serves me when you're when he does. Kind I like.

And bring it to me to eat so that I can give you my blessing before I die. Rebecca was eavesdropping as Isaac spoke to his son, Esau. What do you think about that? What's Eve? Eve droppy means she's standing outside the door listening to the conversation. Are you supposed to do that? Is one supposed to go around eavesdropping? No. So, what's what's there's a problem here, isn't there? Yeah. Let's move on. So, Rebecca then talks to Jacob. Now, my son, listen to me. Do what I tell you. Go and get me two young goats

and I'll make a nice meal, the kind your father loves. Then you'll take it to your father. He'll eat and bless you before he dies. But mother, Jacob said, my brother Esau's a hairy man, and I have smooth skin. What happens if my father touches me? He'll think I'm deceiving him. I'll bring down a curse on myself instead of a blessing. If it comes to that, said his mother, I'll take the curse on myself now. Just do what I say. Go and get the goats. Then what do you think about that? No. So I'll analyze all this in a minute.

So, Jacob takes Esau's blessing and Jacob deceives his father, receives Esau's blessing and uh basically Jacob tells a lie. Jacob said to his father, "I am Esau, your firstborn." So, let's analyze this. What's the relationship like between Jacob and Esau? Do they have a good relationship with each other or not? No, they don't. Okay, that's the problem. What's the relationship like between Isaac and Rebecca? Why is it how do why would you say it's dodgy? She's listening to what he's saying without letting him know

that she says. Okay. So, what should have happened? Disgusted. Yeah. So what should have happened is this that when they woke up in their sleeping bags or the massive comfortable beds they should have started off the day together. You might wonder why I know this because my wife tells me this almost every day. Yes. Here it's not Isaac and it's Jacob. Now we're looking at Isaac and Rebecca at the moment. We'll come to Jacob later. So Isaac and Rebecca then when they started off the day should have started off prayer

and hund what are we going to do today and Isaac said well I was thinking why don't we bless I want to bless Esau oh why do you want to bless Esau and then Isaac would explain the plan okay so obviously Isaac had an idea in his head and the main problem is he hadn't discussed it with Rebecca so Rebecca only found out about Isaac's plan for that day when she eavesdropped she overheard him talking to Esau. So, how do I know this? Cuz one day had some friends around some years ago. And my wife said, I always like listening to my husband when he's talking to somebody on the phone. I thought, okay, seriously, why is that? Oh, I said to her, why? She said, oh, it's the first time I find out what your plans are. Okay, it sounds like the Isaac Rebecca thing. Okay,

so that's the problem. Isaac had a plan, but he hadn't shared his plan with his wife. He hadn't communicated with his wife. This is one of my wife's favorite words, communication. So, you can see they don't have a good relationship. He doesn't communicate with Rebecca. And so, do you think Rebecca respects Isaac? No. She doesn't treat Isaac with respect. There's difficult relationship there. you know, he doesn't share his heart and his ideas and plans with her. Not sure why. And obviously, she doesn't respect him.

So, if she'd overheard Isaac talking to Esau like that, then when when Esau left, Rebecca should have gone into Isaac and said, "Hi, honey. What are your plans for today? Would you like a cup of tea or coffee?" And then Isaac, you know, I saw you talking. I saw Esau. What What were you talking to Esau about? She should have, you know, not gone on with a frying pan, banging them over the head. Just gone in like that. What were you talking about? What's the plan? Like cup of tea, coffee, whatever. Had a conversation.

And then Rebecca then would have understood what Isaac was planning to do. And they could have said, "Well, who should be blessing our son? Who should bless the sons? H Isaac just Isaac God. No, Isaac and Rebecca should have bless the sons together. My wife's second favorite word communication and together. So, it shouldn't have just been Isaac blessing Esau. It should have been Isaac and Rebecca giving transferring giving the blessing to Esau. That's you can see there a lot of things you can see the relationship between Isaac

and Rebecca is not the way that it ought to have been a problem. So what's the relationship like between Rebecca and Jacob then? Close. H close. Close. Yeah. So okay. So Rebecca loves Jacob and Jacob loves Rebecca. But when Rebecca said, "I want you to go and do this. Make a get the goat. Cook the goat. Take it in." What did Jacob say? What should Jacob have said? Now, what should Jacob have said? No. He should have said, "No." "Have you discussed it with dad?" "No." "Well, I'm only going to do it if you discuss it with dad first." Yeah, that's what Jacob should have said to Rebecca.

But Jacob said, "Well, if I do it and you know, dad realizes I'm lying to him. It's not a very good thing to do in the first place and I get cursed. What's going to happen?" Rebecca says, "Well, I'll take the blame." Can you take some Can you take the blame for somebody else's sin? No. Though, is Jacob following his conscience? He knows it's wrong to lie and deceive his father, but he's still willing to do it because Jake, his mom, says, "I'll take the blame. Don't worry about it." Yeah. So, does Jacob do the right thing? No.

So, that's that's you know, when you unpack the story, you can see here there's a problem in the relationship between Jacob and Esau. They hadn't made what we call the foundation of substance. Overcome fall in nature. There's a problem in the relationship between Isaac and Rebecca. Conjugal relationship. Sibling love not right. Conjugal love not right. Relationship between Rebecca and Jacob is also not right. That's a parental relationship. So Jacob isn't behaving as he ought to behave in terms of children's love

and respect for his parents. And then Rebecca obviously loves one son more than the other. Is that a good thing to do? No. So, lots of mistakes that are going on here. So, what went wrong then? Jacob, Nissa haven't overcome the fallen nature. Lack of communication between Isaac and Rebecca. Rebecca doesn't ask Isaac. Rebecca dominates Jacob. Not supposed to dominate your children. Jacob doesn't follow his conscience. And then Jacob goes on and actually lies to his father, deceives his father. Is deceiving your father a good thing to do? No. not good to deceive anybody.

And basically, he's stealing Esau's blessing. It's not his blessing. It's Esau's blessing. The blessing Esau should get. Jacob essentially is stealing it. Is that a good thing to do? So when And then is deception justified? No. So we saw that Jong Po wrong slide. It says Rebecca did the right thing in deceiving uh Isaac. No, it's not the right thing. A misunderstanding of the nature of this story. What's really happening? So, what needs to be restored? The relationship between Adam and Eve. A man needs a respect of his wife. Man needs to love his wife, become a good subject. A woman needs the love of her husband. A woman needs to respect her husband, become a good object.

So, why didn't I'm not going to go into that. Okay. So, this is the blessing that Isaac wanted to give Esau, but he ended up giving Jacob. May God give you heaven's dew and earth's richness, an abundance of grain and new wine. May nations serve you and peoples bow down to you. Be lord over your brothers and may the sons of your mother bow down to you and those who curse you be cursed and those who bless you be blessed. What do you think about the quality of that blessing? What's it all about? Grain

and your wine. This is about wealth. Lord over your brothers is about power. It's about wealth and power. Okay. Anyway Esau returns and Isaac trembled with a great trembling and said, "Who then was it who hunted game and brought it to me? And I ate it before you came and blessed and I bless him and he will be blessed." When Esau heard his father's words, he cried an intensely loud cry, loud and bitter cry, and said to his father, "Bless me to my father." But Isaac said, "I have no more blessing to give." Okay,

so this broke Esau's heart. You know, he loved his father. He loved his father very good, you know, close to his father. And he wanted more than anything to receive his father's blessing. And now he finds out that his younger brother has stolen his blessing. And so, of course, he's brokenhearted. And so is Isaac. He trembled with a great trembling. He thought, "My goodness, this reminds me of the Cain and Abel story." And so now, Esau hated Jacob because of the blessing with which his father blessed him.

And Esau said to himself, "The day is a mourning for my father approaching. Then I'll kill my brother Jacob." So what's Esau was practicing feely? He doesn't want to break his father's heart by killing his brother. He's going to wait until his dad dies and then he'll go and kill Jacob. So, you know, Esau then is not like Cain. He doesn't lose it. Even though he feels really angry and upset, he doesn't lose control of himself in the way that Cain lost control of himself and murdered his brother. Jacob

then is able to fulfill the first blessing and manage things much better than you has got that kind of fallen nature. And so there's no relationship. Anyway, as the father says in divine principle, mother son cooperation, since it was a mother and son who allowed Satan to enter and bear the fruit of sin, according to the principal restoration through indemnity, a mother and son must separate from Satan through their joint efforts. So what should have happened here is Rebecca then should have restored Eve

and Sarah's role by helping her sons to love each other. This was Cain and Abel didn't love each other. He saw Eve didn't teach them how to love each other, which is what you do. You got children playing with toys. One child, you the younger child usually takes the older child's Lego or something and smashes it and the older child gets upset or takes the older child's, you know, something and the older child wants it back, refuses to give it back, so it gets beaten up. Anyway, so a good mother

then will come in and say when the both the children are probably crying, what happened? And they want to hear the story from each side. Okay. Now, if you want to if you want to play with your brother's toy, you should say, can I borrow your toy, please, to play with? Yes. And then if some your brother asks you and you say yes, then he can play with it. Now, if you want it back, you have to say, can I have my toy back, please? and then you have to give it back. Yeah. You can't snatch things and get into a fight about it or or break something, you know.

So that's the job of a parent, usually, you know, particularly a mother with young children, teach them how to ask, how to apologize, how to forgive, and how to make up. Eve didn't do that with Jacob and Esau. Sarah should have done the same with um you know, Ishmael and Isaac. Again, didn't work out. So Rebecca though favored Jacob based upon her dream and that wasn't a good plan because you know one of the reason you it says that Isaac loved Esau more than he loved Jacob. He could probably see actually Jacob is Rebecca's favorite. Esau isn't being loved

and taken care of by his mom in which case I'm going to, you know, make him feel loved. Yeah, I think that's pro may have been what was going on there. So, you have to, you know, love your children equally and they have to feel like they're loved equally. It's really important. Otherwise, you get a disaster of Cain and Abel, Isaac and Rebecca, sorry, uh, Jacob and Esau, Joseph and his brothers. The main lesson of this stories is you have to love all your children equally, not have any favorites.

And it's the same for your school teacher. The same thing. you have favorites, it doesn't help anything. Just keep it to yourself. So anyway, what she did do, which is good, she saved Jacob's life by sending him to Haran. But persuading Jacob to go and steal Esau's birthright or to steal Esau's blessing was not a good thing to do. And you might wonder, yeah, as people usually do, he's making all this up himself. Well, it's what father said. Cain and Abel should naturally work together. And

because Eve initiated the fall, she should help them to cooperate as restitution. This is the basis for mother's son cooperation, providence. That is it's not about Rebecca and Jacob. It's about Rebecca getting Esau and Jacob to get on with each other and become good brothers. Jacob was in the position of Abel. Esau was in the position of Cain. Rebecca, their mother, was in Eve's position. Since Eve bought Cain and Abel as a fruit of the fall, Rebecca was in a position to restore that by assisting Jacob to restore his heavenly position, which is to be a good younger brother

and to win his older brother's heart and that way to read in the birthright. As father said again later, the way of the mother Eve is to is to unite Cain and Abel and bring them to Adam. Again, very significant there. That's the job. Anyway, so Rebecca though, she told Jacob, "Look, your brother's really upset with you. He's going to he wants to kill you. Why don't you go and stay with my with my brother Laban who lives in Haran?" So Jacob said, "Okay, I'll go and stay with Uncle Laban, but before I go, I'm going to go

and say goodbye to dad." So Jacob goes in to see Isaac and tells Isaac, "I'm off to visit to stay with Uncle Laban." And then Oh, yeah. So Isaac then summoned Jacob and blessed him. He caught her, you before you go, come and see me. And Jacob, Isaac blessed Jacob. And Isaac said to Jacob, "May God Almighty bless you and make you fruitful and increase your numbers until you become a community of peoples. May he give you and your descendants the blessing given to Abraham so you may take possession of the land where you

now live as an alien, the land God gave to Abraham." So, what do you think about that blessing compared to the one that Isaac wanted to give to Esau? What? It's a blessing. Yeah. This is the three blessings. Yeah. Be fruitful. Multiply. Have dominion over the land. You're the heir to Abraham. This is the birthright blessing is to become the heir to Abraham. Normally it would have been Esau but Isaac decided to give this blessing the birthright blessing to Jacob. One he could he knew that Jacob bought had acquired the birthright. He had the legal right to it.

But at the same time you could see actually Jacob is a person who's more qualified to be the heir to Abraham. He's more qualified to receive this blessing than Esau. That make sense? Yes. So has have you ever heard any other lecturer saying this and pointing this out? No. Why not? Because nobody reads the Bible. They just pick out a few verses here and here to justify a particular theology, but they don't actually find out what really happened. There's a problem in our community. Nobody reads the Bible

and studies these stories and tries to make sense of these stories to understand what was really going on. I always wonder why um Isaac didn't just give this other blessing to Esau because they were each of but it wasn't he didn't have the birthight. Sorry. That's what I thought would be fair. Yeah, but he didn't he but Jacob was the one who had the birthright. So Jacob had the right to this blessing. Jacob Isaac couldn't give Jacob's blessing to Esau because Esau didn't deserve it. That's the whole point.

So the thing is then what had gone on you know I thought I made all this up myself but then I you read Jonathan Saxon oh gosh he discovered it before me actually wrote him a letter said oh what about this and then I read his book oh goodness me I thought I discovered something new anyway what Jonathan Sax says had Rebecca spoken to Isaac on the day of the blessing Isaac might have said something that would have changed the entire course of their and their children's and the whole of human history, their lives. Imagine Isaac saying this. Of course, I know

that it would be Jacob and not Esau who will continue the covenant. But I have two quite different blessings in mind, one for each of our sons. Now give Esau a blessing of wealth and power because that's what he wants. So may God give you the jew of the heaven and the richness of the earth. May nations serve you and peoples bow down to you. And I'll give Jacob the blessing God gave to Abraham and to me and also to to Noah. The blessing of children and the promised land. I'm found I may get annoyed. I think oh I've discovered something new. Oh, somebody else much more knowledgeable than me already worked it out.

So that's the way it is. This is a traditional educated. So all I can say is I've drunk too much old wine. That's why when I see this new wine, I'm thinking this is rubbish. That make sense. You know, this is the problem. You know, we think new wine and new wine skins, but you know, the old wine is better to be honest. And you know if people understood the story this way then they'd also recognize oh actually this new explanation or not just the new explanation explanations always exist within our community about Rebecca did the right thing

and you know persuading Jacob to go and deceive Esau to deceive Isaac so he could get the blessing. But as you know as it says in the Bible and in the rabbitic commentaries Isaac had it all worked out. The problem was Isaac had it all worked out in his head, but he didn't do what? He didn't tell he didn't discuss it with Rebecca. Isaac wasn't a fool. Just cuz he's blind, it doesn't mean he was he was going insane or, you know, whatever. He had it all worked out. He just should have talked to Rebecca about it.

And that was the problem, the relationship between Isaac and Rebecca. Anyway, there you go. I don't know why I'm talking about this. Leave that. So, it should have happened this way. So, again, Jacob tricked east. This is uh Gil Ju, the wife of present, wrote the black divine principle. She's the one that father asked to um put all the colored, you know, colors in to the divine principle. Anyway, so she's read it a lot. Jacob tricked Esau twice in order to take Esau's elder sunship. Once with a lentil stew

and tricked him again when receiving Isaac's blessing. However, that actually wasn't the correct way according to the principle. Has any other lecturer said that? No. Does anybody read these books? No. The problem people don't read and think. Jacob wanted to inherit the rights of the elder son. So, he should have served and behaved well to his older brother. By behaving well, he should have taught him how to hunt and set up a business. Then the older son's heart would have been moved and he would have said, "Yes, you are not only smarter than me,

but better in every aspect. So, you should be my elder brother." Not older, but my elder brother. If Jacob brought his older brother into natural subjugation like this, so much could have been saved in the course of indemnity. Okay. So again, this is the way it is. This is the old wine, not the new wine which has been taught for the last 50 years. So should Jacob gone to Haran? Did Jacob as able become really one with Esau as his Cain, thus subjugating Satan completely? Not originally. In other words, he should have done it in order to get the blessing. In order to get the birthright, Jacob should have won his blessing in his native home in total harmony with Esau

and not have had to go to Haran. However, he had to escape from the danger brought about by Esau's intention to kill him. Thus, the condition of indemnity was not completed. Yeah. So, plan A, meet business, plan B, plan C. You know that's just the way it works. Things go wrong then God puts in place another plan. Things go wrong there switch to another plan to another plan. You know so this is uh consequences. Now let us count the consequences. Says Isaac old and blind felt betrayed by Jacob. He trembled violently when he realized what had happened saying to Esau your brother came deceitfully. Esau likewise felt betrayed

and experienced such violent hatred towards Jacob that he vowed to kill him. Rebecca was forced to send Jacob into exile, thus depriving herself where he was for 21 years, thus depriving herself of the company of the son she loved more far more than for for more than two decades. As for Jacob, the consequences of the deceit lasted a lifetime resulting in strife between his wives. He should not have got married had two wives and even between his children. Jake, you know, Joseph and the 11 son other 11 brothers. Few

and evil have been the days of my life, he said to Pharaoh as an old man. So many lives scarred by one act which is not even necessary in the first place. Isaac did in fact give Jacob the blessing of Abraham without deception any deception knowing him to be Jacob and not Esau. So which is the better explanation? The one you normally hear from lecturers or this? You have to decide yourself. Then you have to think okay let's that's what it means to evaluate things okay and now hearing the old wine

now I can evaluate some of these new ideas which are coming out that Rebecca did the right thing and deceiving Isaac because you know that's to restore Eve dece okay let's have a what's the time now it's 20 We I will stop it. Yeah, we usually finish at 4:00. Oh, okay. So, you can either do a little taster or we finish here. Uh, okay. I'll just have a look at back at the slide which I was on from which I went off to somewhere. Okay. So, Jay Konisa. So it says there, Rebecca, the wife of Isaac, deceived her husband

and the firstborn, Esau, so that her younger son, Jacob, could receive the blessing and restore the birthight. That was a huge mistake what she did. There's also a mistake what Jacob did. It also mistake what Isaac did. And who's the only innocent party here? No, Isaac should have communicated Rebecca. Who's the only one who didn't do anything wrong? Esau. He's the only one who didn't do anything wrong. Actually, he never killed his brother, you know, etc. And they made up in the end. Esau in who was the older brother Cain was the only one who didn't have any fallen nature in

that sense. He demonstrated incredible love for his dad. Loved his dad very much. Even though his mom, you didn't take care of him and love him. And even though he's tricked by his brother, he's Jacob over and over again. So it's interesting. You know, he was a good person, just not a very intelligent person. That's all I can say. Perhaps a little Yeah. Well, it depends how you like them. Yeah. So that's all I can say. He was a good person, a good older brother, but unfortunately he didn't have a good younger brother at

that stage. Jacob's really arrogant and you know etc etc. The relationship between Tamar the daughter-in-law of Judah and her sons Perez and Zarah was reversed in the womb resulting the restoration of the birthright. That's also an interesting story. Maybe I'll talk about that next time. So the birthright of the firstborn representing evil anyway has returned to the second born who represent huh to the second born who represented evil. That's interesting. The fir birth of the firstborn representing evil is returned to the second born who represented evil

and the foundation of national victories laid by the people of Israel who built up the foundation of restoration of the lineage resulting the birth of the only begotten son and only begotten daughter. How's the younger brother represent evil then? H must be a mistake. Yeah, lots of mistakes. I'm telling you of them are representing [Laughter] evil. Anyway, the end of the day, everyone has fallen nature and fallen nature of able is to be arrogant and fallen nature of gain is can't remember what it is now. Anyway, it's

um yeah anyway so you know this is a relationship then which uh Judah had with Tamar. So who became the ancestor of the Messiah? Judah. Judah. Why was Judah the ancestor of the Messiah? Was it the oldest son? Was he the youngest son? Fourth. He was the fourth son. Okay. So to make a foundation to receive the Messiah, what do you need to do? Foundation of faith and stuff. Okay. Foundation of faith basically believing in God living a spiritual life. Yeah. And foundation of substance is what? Joseph. Okay. Right. Okay.

So overcoming foundation is substance overcoming fallen nature. Okay. So usually the focus is upon Cain overcoming his fallen nature. But do you think Abel has fallen nature as well? If the original Sorry, do you think Abel has fallen nature? So if the original fallen if the original Abel didn't have fallen nature, Cain wouldn't have killed him. Yeah. If Jacob when he was young had original n had didn't have fallen nature, he would have treated his older brother differently. If Joseph when he was the youngest didn't have fallen nature, he wouldn't have got sold off into slavery.

So that's the problem. Ka Abel has fallen nature and also Cain does. So if you look at Jake Judah then he was not the oldest son. Okay. So normally Reuben was the oldest son and normally the oldest son is the one who represents the parents or at least the father taking care of the younger brothers. But actually the other brothers they listen to Judah. So in that sense, even though Judah was the younger brother, younger than his three older brothers, they recognized that he was elder. And so they listened to him.

And when Judah said, "Let's send Jacob Joseph off into slavery. Let's sell him." Then they did it instead of killing him, which is what Simeon wanted to do. Okay? So he was a good younger brother. He won the respect of his older brothers. They saw he was wiser than they were, etc., etc. But then when it came to uh uh relationship with Joseph then um they went down the brothers all went down to buy buy grain and you know Joseph managed to do things so that Benjamin got arrested put in prison the brothers went home

and then when they and then uh Gosh. Yeah. And then they're going to Yes. So then that's right. And then uh Jacob, Joseph set it up. So Benjamin had the silver cup when they were going home. They just Joseph complained. The brothers are brought back. Benjamin's held up as being a thief. And so he's going to be thrown into prison. And at that point, all the all all the other brothers could have said, "Bye-bye, Benjamin. Naughty boy. We're going home." But at that point, Judah said, "If I go home without my younger brother, it's going to break my father's heart,

and he's going to die. Take me and put me in prison instead of my younger brother so my younger brother can go home." So here Judah first of all he's a good younger brother winning the respect of his older brothers. So he overcame that fallen nature not behaving arrogantly to his three older brothers. Then he's been a good older brother willing to sacrifice his life for the sake of his younger brother. So he's a good older brother and a good younger brother. So he overcame the fallen nature of the old younger brother arrogance. He overcame the fallen nature of the older brother as well. Willing to exchange his life for the life of his brother Benjamin. At

that point everything got sorted out. So that's why Judah then was an extraordinary person and became the ancestor of the Messiah because he set that tradition of an older brother should sacrifice his life for the sake of his younger brother. Uh which is exactly what father said and that's why he becomes the ancestor of the Messiah. And the question is well how did he get to be that point? Though there's a story in between Judah selling Joseph to slavery and them running out of food, the famine the story in between is a story with Tamar

and people wonder why is that story of Tamar there? What's the significance of it? So what happened then is Jacob got So Jo Judah got married to this lady had two sons. What were they called? No, three sons. Oh my gosh, my memory is terrible. Had three sons. No, no, the three sons of uh Judah. Gosh, I'm sorry. My memor is just Anyway, so they found a they found a a person who they wanted the older son to marry. That was Tamar. Anyway, so it says in the Bible that God killed the oldest son

because he's a bad person. Anyway, he died obviously before they could consummate the marriage. So the oldest son died without any descendants. And so traditional understanding and tradition in those days everywhere was that everybody should have a descendants. They decide, "Okay, Tamar, you have a relationship with his younger brother, the middle brother, and then he can make sure that your older brother has descendants." But the middle brother, Onan, refused to have sex with her. And so he died.

And then there was the youngest brother, and then Judah thought, "Oh, I better not let him have sex with uh with Tamar, otherwise he might die as well." So they sent Tamar off back home. Anyway, so Tamar went home and then she felt I need to have descendants for my for Judah but also for you know my husband. And in the tradition of those days either you have to have sex with the brother and if there isn't one around or doesn't want to then the the son's the the man's father can have that relationship. That's a traditional custom in those days.

So she thought, okay, in order to have a in order to continue my husband's lineage and Judah's lineage, I need to have a sexual relationship with Judah. So she dressed up and Judah after his wife had died had a relationship with Tamar and he didn't recognize who Tamar was. She's very modest. And then Judah said, "I'm sorry. I haven't got anything to give you." And so Tamar said, "Well, give me your your belt and your staff and your ring, and then when you come back tomorrow with some something to pay me with,

then you know you can have them back." Anyway, Judah sent a friend along to do the payment and uh the lady who was thought to be a prostitute wasn't there. So Judah went home. Went home. Anyway, some months later, they've discovered and realized that Tamar was pregnant. And so Judah heard that his daughter-in-law was pregnant. So he had her brought in front of him and want and could have had her put to death again under the customs of those days because she would have committed adultery. Anyway,

so she said to well she sent message look these are the person these are the the person who is the father of my child is a person who owns this ring this staff and this belt and so when Tamar saw the ring the staff and the belt he realized he was the one who had this relationship with his daughter with his daughter-in-law and what could he have done he could have said no don't know whose are put to death in which case he would have saved face in front of his friends but instead of doing that he said no actually they belong to me I am the father she is more righteous than I am

so he's more concerned about telling the truth and being honest than and transparent than protecting his face and not being shameful in that sense and so he saved her life and so from that point Judah then realized she he said I'm sorry she is more righteous than me. So it's the first time in the Bible you find someone saying a woman is better than I am changed and so as a result of that Judah started to change. So when the situ when he found himself in a situation in front of Joseph then he was willing to exchange his life for the sake of his brother

because he realized I don't want to what happened to Joseph to happen to Benjamin. I made a mistake then I don't not going to make the same mistake this time dad's heart Jacob's heart was broken when Joseph went disappeared we thought was and he thought was dead because that's what we told said I'm not going to break father's heart a second time and so the reason why he changed is because his encounter with Tamar that's what changed him and so he and Tamar then became the ancestor of the Messiah

and so Judah Then there were 11 11 sons, 12 sons, 12 tribes of Israel. 10 of the tribes of Israel were taken away by the Assyrians when they invaded. Two tribes were left, the tribes of Judah and Benjamin. Benjamin's very small tribe. They intermarried. And so you ended up basically the tribe of Judah. So, and so that's where the word name Jew comes from. All Jews are descended from Judah. It's the way it is. The other just the other tribes, they disappeared. Yeah. So we talk about change of lineage going all the way just with Jesus. No, it's all Jews were descended from Judah

and a result of this process of the change of lineage. Abraham, Isaac, and Jacob and Judah and Tamar. They're all born in that sense like Jesus is born because the you know fallen nature is overcome through that lineage in many different ways lots of other ways further down the line as well anyway. Okay. So for me that's interesting. It's not that you know Jesus was just a Jew born without original sin like all other Jews were. And I Okay. Stop there. Thank you all very much. Um I have to put on another one. It's going to take me a whole year to get through all these lectures. Anyway, I find, as I said, I find it interesting looking into these things, thinking about these things, you know, trying to work these things out. What's going on here? Okay.

So, let's close with prayer. this beloved heavenly parent. We thank you so much for being able to gather together this uh today to look at and examine these lectures that Jung Won have been delivered and being taught to people in our spiritual community all over the world. We pray we can really think about these things and understand what is going on and to make sense of it so we can live a good life ourselves. We thank you and pray for all those who are off the way to Korea now, especially those who go into the blessing. They can have safe journey

and a profound and deep experience when they're there going to the new temple. Uh it can be a life-changing experience to come into deeper, more profound relationship with you to know that you are a parent, you're a father, you're a mother, and we are your sons and daughters. I pray that our own children can understand that deeply and so we don't have a second generation but also a third and fourth and fifth generation as well. Offers prayer my name William Haynes central bless family in attendance to holy mother Han. Amen. hurt you.