Chambumo-ron Lectures & Discussion 10th May 2025 - Session 4/4

first, then he chose one, then he chose them and for [Music] maybe I didn't. And then the Do you want you can stand up here if you want. Okay. So, we'll finish anyway. So, we we finish at four o'clock. So, okay. Let's move on to the next slide. Unable to receive the holy marriage, Jesus had no choice but to go the way of the cross. Despite the belief of the Israel, that wasn't correct. Heavenly parents sent Jesus to walk the path of the cross in order to restore humanity. That's a huge thing which I'm going to look at now. Jesus through the path of the cross surrendered his physical body to Satan paved the way for the atonement of sins of all humanity. 12 disciples who welcomed the resurrected Jesus created the foundation

so Jesus and the Holy Spirit would become the spiritual true parents enabling the work of spiritual rebirth. So let's have a look at the statements on this slide. Did God really decide Jesus had to be crucified? So this is basically a traditional Christian belief. Traditional Christian belief is that the crucifixion of Jesus is part of God's plan. It was predestined that Jesus would be ex would be crucified so that he could bring the forgiveness of sin and spiritual rebirth to humanity. That's a traditional Christian belief is

that God wanted Jesus to be crucified and that was the plan from the very beginning. When we actually look at Jesus' own teaching, it was all about bringing the kingdom of God. He never talked about, oh, the whole point is I've come here to be crucified. He never says that until right at the very end. That's conversation start to develop. So that's what it says here. For God so loved the world that he gave his one and only son that whoever believed in him shall not perish but have eternal life. Is God like that? Is

that what parents do with to their children? God so loved the world, he gave his one and only son that whoever believes in him shall not perish but to have eternal life. Why was this necessary? Was it necessary? Is this the attitude of loving parents sacrificing one's child? So child sacrifice is condemned in the Mosaic law. For Jesus, for God to sacrifice his son would be a violation of the Mosaic law. That's why God told Abraham, "Do not sacrifice your son. It's not allowed." So child sacrifice is condemned in the Mosaic Lord. any of the people of Israel or of the aliens who reside in Israel who give any of their offspring to the molec which is the idol shall which be burnt to worship this idol god shall be put to death the people of the land shall stone them to death I myself will set my face against them

and will cut them off from the people because they've given of their offspring to molec defiling my sanctuary profaining my holy name. So that's why God told Abraham, "Do not sacrifice your son." That's God doesn't want other people to sacrifice their sons and he's certainly not going to sacrifice his children himself. He tries to avoid all that sort of thing going on. Why? Because every single human being is a son or daughter of God. No parent has the right to sacrifice their children because children are not the property of their parents. Children are the property of God. They belong to God.

So all you can do is God gave us children so we could look after them on God's behalf. So through the love that we have for our children, we begin to appreciate the God the love that God has for us. So we can inherit God's parental love by having children of our own. But these children are not our children. That's why uh for Jews they have um circumcision for boys 8 years old and that's part of the this child then is dedicated to God belongs to God when we have a second gen. Uh can you remember what happened on your eighth day? Young ladies at the back. What happened when you were eight days old? Do you remember? You can't remember

but you have there's the 8- day dedication ceremony. Yeah. When a par when parents dedicate this child is your child. I'm going to look after this child on your behalf because God is pure spirit. God doesn't have a physical body. God needs us to look after his children and to create and multiply and extend his lineage. Yeah. Which is our lineage. Yeah. So that's why God uh can't sacrifice your children. They're they're my children. They're my children. How dare you put to death your children as a way of worshiping me. How dare you buy

and sell people and own them as slaves. They belong to me. No human being has a right to own another human being. Yeah. And the state, you may be a citizen of the state, but that is satanic. The state does not have the right to regard people as its property. So looking then at the Christian theory of atonement which is I want to ex examine which is really interesting. So everyone is a so this is a Christian view very quick version then I'll go through in more detail. Everyone is a sinner because everyone is born with sin

and commits sin. The wroth. Now this is straight Christianity. The wroth. And wroth is strong vengeful anger or indignation. So when it talks about the wroth of God, this is God's fury. This is God's righteous indignation and anger. So the Christian view is God is a very wrothful, angry, vengeful being. The wroth of God has to be satisfied. So God is really angry with human beings because of sin. for it for it to go away that God has to be satisfied. So the anger will go away. God's sense of justice is

that sinners should be punished and this is the only way for evil to be removed and for the relationship of God with his people to be restored. That's the Christian view. And this is what Paul says. For I received for what I received I passed on to you that Christ died for our sins according to the scriptures. So Christ then is the one who died to pay the price for our sins. And again he says, "I do not set aside the grace of God. For if righteousness could come through observing the Torah, then Christ died in vain."

So the Christian view is that without the crucifixion and the resurrection of Jesus, human beings, our sins could not be forgiven and our relationship with God could not be restored. That's what St. Paul taught. And this is traditional Christian teaching. There are different theories of atonement to try and explain the experience and belief Christians have of being forgiven for their sin because they believe in Jesus. So that's what I want to look at now. These are theories of evolved reflect social changes.

So let's have a look at what God is like in the New Testament. It's kind of shocking. This is uh again from St. Paul. Let no one deceive you with empty words. For because of these things, fall and and inherited sin, original sin. Because of these things, the wroth of God comes upon the sons of disobedience. The God is really angry with people who are disobedient. It's interesting. Never says that in the Old Testament. In in the Old Testament, God says, "You shall love the Lord your God with all your heart, all your soul,

and all your strength." Nowhere in the Old Testament does it say you should obey God. The word obey does not exist in Hebrew. So sometimes you see Adam and Eve disobeyed God, but it's not what it says in the Bible. There's no Hebrew word for Adam and Eve or anybody obeying or disobeying God. It's all about love. That's all it is. So you may have disobedient children, but you should still love them. Now they may still love you very much. They just don't want to do what you tell them to do. Whoever believes in the son has eternal life,

but whoever rejects the son will not see life, but God's wroth remains on them. So anybody who doesn't believe in Jesus, God is still angry with this person and this person is going to get condemned to hell. Since therefore we have now been justified by the blood, much more shall we be saved by him from the wroth of God. Always talking. St. Paul's always talking about the wroth of God. God is angry with you. And this then goes on to fate the whole of Christianity. But because of your stubbornness

and your unrepentant heart, you're storing up wroth against yourself for the day of Roth, God's wroth, when his righteous judgment will be revealed. you and all the bad people are sent off to hell because God can't forgive them. God doesn't love them. Basically, from his mouth, this is from book of revelation. From his mouth comes a sharp sword which which with which to strike down the nations and he'll rule them with a rod of iron. He will tread the rhyme press as a fury of the wroth of God the Almighty. Who talks about rods of iron these days? You remember who's the rod of iron man? Sh. Sha sanctuarians. Yeah. They're all into the rod of iron

and bullets around bullets and guns and things. That's where they get it from here. So interesting theology and understanding of God's nature to bite into. Okay. Now let's look at the Old Testament, the Hebrew Bible, what it says about God's wroth. So usually most people think that God in the Old Testament is angry and wrothful and the God in the New Testament is a God of love. Actually, it's the other way round. Contrary to the anti-Jewish stereotype, Amos. So Amos is one of the most outspoken prophets of God. He is one of the most outspoken, judgmental in some ways prophets of God.

And so it's interesting to see what does he say. Amos's God is furious with Israel. God is furious. God is wrothful with Israel. But the question is why? Because the people have failed to uphold the intric not not because the people have failed to uphold the intricacies of hairsplitting laws, i.e. being disobedient. It's not about that. Rather, he is furious with them because they have flagrantly flouted the most basic standards of human decency because the people haven't been keeping the law

and they haven't been treating each other fairly and justly. And this is what it says, what Amos says. Because they've sold for silver those whose cause was just. In other words, somebody who upset them and owes them a debt, they sold this person off into slavery for some money. That's wrong. and the needy for a pair of sandals. Yeah. Ah, you you who trample the heads of the poor into the dust of the ground and make the humble walk a twisted course. That's what make gods angry is the way in which people treat each other. What makes God upset

and angry is the way that people mistreat his children. Not how they treat him, how they mistreat his children and don't treat his children fairly and justly. That's what upsets God according to Amos and all the prophets. God rages against the powerful who oppress the powerless. For Amos, divine wroth is inseparable from divine justice. So God is angry then with the people who are dictators, who are tyrants, who are slave owners, do all these kind of things because they're mistreating his children. They're not treating them fairly

and justly. So where does justice fit in? I loathe. This is shocking. It's unbelievable. You'd never expect a religious leader to say this. I loathe. I spurn your festivals. I am not appeased by your solemn assemblies. If you offer me burnt offerings or your meal offerings, I will not accept them. I will pay no heed to your gifts of fatlings. Spare me the sound of your hymns, and let me not hear the music of your loots. But let justice well up like water, righteousness like an unfailing stream. That's what God wants, a just

and fair society where people are looked after and treated fairly and justly, not where people go and donate vast amounts of money to the church such that the medieval Catholic church owned about a quarter of the land in this country. That doesn't make God happy. So God's wroth and compassion. So again, the book of Amos shows that the accusation that Jews worship a ro a wrothful God is not negative, however negatively it is intended. God's wroth blazes so fiercely because of God's abounding compassion. Specifically, his compassion for those who need it the most, the weak

and the marginalized. Roth and compassion are not mutually exclusive. They are two sides of the same coin. The former gives teeth to the latter, making it more than inhibit sentiment. Yeah, this is a mosaic Hebraic view. The book of Amos is therefore not just a condemnation of the Jewish people. It is also more importantly a challenge to them. When injustice reigns, when the most vulnerable of society oppressed, while their powerful tormentors get off Scots-free, who would not be wrothfully wrothful? When God is spoken, who would not prophesy? Yeah.

So, we have to think about this in our own spiritual community. Don't have much justice. It's one of the words that's missing from the pledge, family pledge. Justice should be there. So examp so if we look at the Hebrew Bible then I'll give you all the slides you can look through them later. This is what it says. Okay. So some examples in the Hebrew Bible the flood. Sometimes people think God was angry with the people and went and drowned them all. If you actually read the Bible it's not like that. God saw violence violence. Violence. He saw

that people and this is what broke God's heart. It says in the Genesis, the time of the fl before the flood, God's heart was broken. Not father who first introduced the idea of God's heart being broken. It's there in chapter three or four of the Bible. God's heart was broken. God grieved because his children were being mistreated. His children were being murdered, robbed, and raped. That broke God's heart. Yeah. God grieved all the time when they saw the way his children were being treated. And

so that's why it says he regretted creation. He thought by creating this world and human beings, he's going to create a world of beauty and a world of love, a world of joy, and a world of peace. But actually, he's looked at the reality with it was a world of hell. And so that's why he destroy decided to destroy everything. Not because he was angry that he wasn't being treated properly. He's angry the way people were treating each other. time of Sodom and Gomorrah. People again were behaving badly to each other. Murder, rape,

and robbery. So that's why they went to have a look and that's what was going on in Sodom and Gomorrah. Plagues of Egypt that was there to free the is Hebrews from slavery. It's not out of anger. So you go through so many of these stories, you can see what was really going on. Why was God acting the way that he was acting? It was out of compassion and justice. Yet he was merciful. He forgave their iniquities and did not destroy them. Time after time he restrained his anger and he did not stir up his full wroth. He remembered

that they were but flesh, a passing breeze that does not return. So let's have a look at the the path of divine forgiveness in Torah. So St. Paul said, "Unless you believe in Jesus, you cannot be saved." That's not the teaching of the Hebrew Bible. This is what it says in the Hebrew Bible all over the place. Just a few of the quotes here. If my people who are called by my name humble themselves, pray, seek my face, and turn away from their wicked ways, then I will hear from heaven and will forgive their sin

and heal their land. Ezekiel, another prophet. But if the wicked turn away from all their sins that they have committed and keep all my statutes and do what is lawful and right. So all these statutes, all these laws about how society should be governed. That's all the Mosaic law is about how you should have a just and fair and peaceful society. Do what is lawful and right. Then they shall surely live. They shall not die. None of the transgressions that they have committed shall be remembered against them. For the righteous

that they righteousness that they have done will shall live. Have I any pleasure in the death of the wicked, says the Lord God, and not rather that they should turn from their ways and live. So if people repent and apologize, God will forgive them. They can achieve this oneness with God again. Don't need the crucifixion to do that. It may be that when the house of Judah hears of all the disasters that I intend to do them, all of them may turn from their evil ways, so that I may forgive their iniquity

and their sin. Seek the Lord while he may be found. Call upon him while he is near. Let the wicked forsake their way and the unrighteous their thoughts. Let them return to the Lord that he may have mercy on them and to our God for he will abundantly pardon. So any single so when God made the the Mosaic covenant, Moses wasn't the central figure in that sense. Every single Israelite that was there, all the men, the women, the children, every single person made a personal covenant with God at the Mosaic, the Mosaic covenant. Every single person could form this kind of relationship with God. As long as they just kept the law

and they did what was right and they followed their conscience, they could come into this relationship with God of oneness with God. No need for, you know, it wasn't actually a need for a tabernacle or a temple. That was only something that came was that was a second thought having a tabernacle and temple wasn't the original plan at all. But that's another story. Therefore, O king, this is Daniel talking to the king of uh the Persians when he was there. He threw him into the get gobbled up by the lions

and things. Anyway, so Daniel is a great an adviser to the king. So Daniel said to the king, who who is a Persian, not a Jew, "Therefore, O king, may my counsel be acceptable to you. atone for your sin with righteousness and your iniquities with mercy to the oppressed so that you may prosper so that your prosperity may be prolonged. So he's saying to the king, you know, you have to apologize for all the bad things you've done. You have to make up for the the ways in which you have mistreated your people

and then you know you'll be prosperous and that prosperity be prolonged. And Samuel said, "Has the Lord as great delight in burnt offerings and sacrifices as in obeying the voice of the Lord?" Obeying the voice of the Lord is just listening to your conscience. Surely to obey it is better than sacrifice and to heed than fat of rams. So again, Samuel is teaching that. Yeah, the most important thing is not going and making offerings or making donations and gifts. The most important thing is to worship God

and to follow your conscience which tells you to treat people fairly and justly. That's not about sacrifice. So the whole Christian thing is all about sacrifice for Jesus has nothing to do with it. The sacrifice of the wicked is an abomination to the Lord. But the prayer of the upright is his delight. What is what to me is the multitude of your sacrifices, says the Lord. I have had enough of burnt offerings of rams and the fat of fed beasts. I do not delight in the blood of bulls or of lambs or goats. Wash yourselves. Make yourselves clean. Remove the evil of your doings from before my eyes. Cause to do evil. Learn to do good. What's it got called? Maybe need to correct this English. Sorry. Cease. Oh, cease to do evil. Thank you very much. Cease to stop doing evil. Basically, learn to do good. Seek the justice. Rescue the oppressed. Defend the orphan. Plead for the widow. That's what it's all about. You know, people think God isn't a religious God. God's not interested in religion. He's interested in people behaving the right way

and treating each other well and following their conscience. This is one of the great things I love about, you know, the uh ten commandments. It says you shall not take God's name in vain. God doesn't like it when people use his name to try and manipulate them. It's a great critique of religion. This is Psalms. Oh Lord, open my lips and let my mouth will and my mouth will declare your praise. For you have no delight in sacrifice. If I were to give a burnt offering, you would not be pleased. The sacrifice acceptable to God is a broken spirit, a broken

and contrite heart. Oh God, you will not despise. So this is the whole biblical Hebrew view of sacrifice. It's not necessary. You know, the way Christians understand sacrifices in the temple is not the way that the Bible teaches the meaning of those sacrifices. So when they went along and they made an offering in the temple, they would take along an animal and it would be slaughtered, killed, it would then be cooked and it would be given back to them and it' all sit there and have a picnic. That's what it was. It was like a great barbecue. They went there

and had a picnic and a barbecue with God. They brought an offering to God. The priests would take some of it because they didn't have their own land or money or anything. And the rest of it would be cooked and given back and they would So, it's not a sacrifice. It's a gift. No sacrifices not about sac. It's about giving about giving presents. If you love someone, you want to give them a present. And when you give someone a present, you don't think, "Oh, I've really sacrificed for you." That's not the heart of a gift, is it? You just want to make someone happy. You give them a gift

that someone's going to make them happy. You're not thinking, "Oh, I'm going to really sacrifice when I give this gift." You know, when children when they go, you know, they go and little picture of their for their parents, they give it to the parents and the parents are happy. Are the children thinking I'll just I'll just sacrifice because I spend time drawing this painting for you. Do they think like that? No, not at all. remove the word sacrifice. It's about joy. It's about love. It's about giving. It's about trying to make people wanting to make people happy

and bring joy to them. And that's what God wants. Yeah. That kind of thing. Okay. So, the Christian view of atonement is very different to that. They say people are born with sin. God hates sin. Sin has to be destroyed. The price of sin has to be paid by sacrifice that God's wroth will go away. So let's have a look at this. So it's called the ransom theory of atonement. This is the early oldest one first developed by this uh Christian church father called Oregon. He said this theory claimed that Adam

and Eve sold humanity over to the devil at the time of the fall. Hence, just is required that God pay the devil for a ransom. So, if Adam and Eve then no longer belong to God because they now belong to Satan, then God has to buy them back. To buy them back, you need to pay, you need to give Satan something that Satan's going to be satisfied with to buy them back. That's why it's called the ransom theory. Give devil a ransom, some money or some something. Yeah. So, he'll release Adam and Eve. So Jesus Christ

then died as a ransom sacrifice paid either to Satan the most dominant view or to God the father. So when Jesus was crucified where did he end up in hell. He stayed in hell for three days and then you know he went around preaching in hell liberating the people in hell. And so Satan thought well I don't want you here anymore. you're going to liberate take away all my followers and so he was resurrected he came back to life so Jesus' death then act as a payment so that's Paul's view you know you have in order to buy back people from Satan you have to pay Satan money or a payment to satisfy the debt on the souls of the human race the same debt we inherited from Adam's original sin

so it goes all the way back to that Jews don't and Muslims don't believe in original sin. It's an idea that was developed by St. Augustine who wasn't born a Christian. He brought this sort of ideas in from manarchism. The devil did not realize that Christ could not be held in the bonds of death. Once the devil accepted Christ's death as a ransom, this theory concluded. Justice was satisfied. This theory concluded that justice was satisfied and God was able to free us from Satan's grip. Okay. So in order to separate us from Satan, someone had to pay the price

and that was Jesus and God sacrificed his son as the price. Okay? Otherwise cannot be separated from Satan. Completely different to the Old Testament Hebrew Bible. Anyway, in the 12th century, so that was the oldest understanding of atonement. That's why the crucifixion is necessary. So that's what Christians St. Paul having to try and explain. The crucifixion was necessary. Therefore, the crucifixion was predestined. Therefore, the crucifixion was God's will because it's all about restoring our relationship with God. In the 12th century, Anelm of Canterbury. Anybody been to Harrow? Harrow on the hill. Okay. The church on the top of Harrow on the hill was built by Anselm, one of the most significant church theologians. Anyway, he proposed a satisfaction theory for atonement. In this theory, Jesus Christ's death is understood as a death to satisfy the justice of God. Sin is an offense against God's honor.

So, this is written in the middle ages and it reflects the feudal society in which he was living. Just as a king will not and could not ignore an offense against him, neither could God ignore our sins against him. So this is the way it was in the in the feudal time. If you annoyed the king, the king's honor was offended and then the king had to you had to be punished for that. Otherwise, the king couldn't forgive you. Satisfaction here meant restitution, the mending of what was broken and the paving paying back of a debt. In this theory, Anselm emphasizes the justice of God

and claims that sin is an injustice that must be balanced. An Selm satisfaction theory says essentially that God Jesus Christ died in order to pay back the injustice of human sin and to satisfy the justice of God. So the Hebrew Bible is concerned with justice is the justice that people should be treating each other justly. Okay. Christianity is not about that treating each other justly. It's about the justice between us and God and the debt that has to be paid and the punishment that has to be paid.

And God says it's only fair because of all these sins that have been committed. It's only fair that they should all be punished. That's just sins against me against my honor. Yeah. I brought I'm you as you know I'm may not know I'm Jewish by birth but Christian by upbringing. So I received a lot of Christian education. The school I went to went to church every every day every day. And uh you know as you know one of my RE teachers I said last time was one of the most eminent Rh teachers in this country. He was one of the editors of the handbook to the Bible.

Uh used to go along to the lent lent uh services listen to again some eminent evangelicals that came in. But none of it made sense to me. I could not believe that I needed to believe in Jesus in order because of this whole thing about debt and justice and God's anger and if I didn't want God to be angry with me and send me to hell, I need to believe this, this, and this. It just it was an offense. I felt offended that people talked about God like this. To me, it's really awful to say this is the way God is.

But that's the Christian teaching. And that's why I just stopped believing this stuff when I was a teenager. In the penal substitution theory, this is Luther and Calvin. The they were the reformers reformation. Jesus Christ dies to satisfy God's wroth against human sin. So God is really angry with human sin. And Jesus is sacrificed and put to death to satisfy God's wroth. So God will no longer feel angry anymore because Jesus has been put to death. Weird. The idea was that God is holy and therefore cannot come near any unholiness which is of sin.

And since he is just and cannot justly ignore sin, he must therefore punish sin. So God poured out his necessary wroth for our sin on Jesus. I mean, how peculiar is that? You know, someone's gone and robbed, you know, gone and robbed your house, you're really angry with him. You don't go, you know, take it out on your next door neighbor. I mean what or take it out only your children you know it's just just it's just I don't know but this is I remember having a conversation with someone my parents-in-law's house he was a very evangelical Christian

and he just went through this whole thing with me and I thought how can you honestly believe that is what God is like he just went through the whole thing for about half an hour trying to persuade me of the penal substitution theory of for why the crucifixion took place I thought you really think this is the way God is and he obviously did. It was anyway it was interesting. So God poured out his necessary necessary wroth for our sin on Jesus. Why should why is it so necessary that God be so wrothful

because the fall of man took place? Does it say anywhere in the Bible that God was angry with Adam and Eve? It doesn't say that. doesn't say that when God came into the garden, did he was he angry with Adam and Eve? No. He said, "Where are you?" He wanted to find his children. Do you think he knew what had happened? Yes. God knew exactly what has happened, but he didn't come into the garden and tell them off. He said, "Where are you? What happened? Did you eat the fruit?" Because all God wanted was them to say, "Yes, we ate the fruit, God. We're really sorry. we shouldn't have done it. Please forgive us.

And then God would have forgiven Adam and Eve straight away. There's no wroth, no anger there at all. Even with Cain, you know, Cain forgave, God forgave Cain when Cain apologized. And so, I can't remember the My brain doesn't work very well anymore. Can't remember the exact words off my heart now, but God forgave Cain and Cain prospered. Therefore, Jesus paid the price, paid the debt for our sin. Nothing like that in the Hebrew Bible in satisfaction of God's holiness and justice. God can now forgive the sinner

because Jesus Christ has been punished in the place of the sinner. That's not what the Hebrew Bible teaches. Nothing like that in the prophecies of the Old Testament. The doctrine of of penal substitution states that God gave himself in the person of his son to suffer instead of us the death punishment and curse due to fallen humanity as a penalty for sin. So God in Jesus paid the price of our sin. So here again same idea the price has to be paid and God instead of thinking we should be paying for the price thinks I'll pay for it myself

because I'm God, Jesus is God. I'm going to go and pay the price myself. But the whole thing is wrapped on this really funny idea of justice and wroth and everything else. Can't I could never get my head around this when I was when I was brought up as a Christian. Just didn't make sense. And then the most recent one is the Chris Victor theory of atonement. In the Chris Victor theory of atonement, the dominant theory for most of the historical Christian church, Jesus Jesus Christ dies in order to defeat the powers of evil such as sin, death,

and the devil. in order to free mankind from their bondage. Within the Christophus Victor framework, the cross did not pay off anyone but defeated evil, thereby setting the human race free. Again, you know, just read from the Mosaic law, the covenant at Moses has made at Sinai. All that was done, God set them free when they left Egypt in slavery in Egypt. God set them free. the Mosaic law to create the kingdom of heaven in Canaan. Things didn't work out the way they should have done, but it was all done then. That's the teaching of the Hebrew Bible.

So then, did Jesus have a choice? Okay. Personally, I think Jesus's mission was to solve the problem of the Roman occupation. He was the Messiah and that was the problem. Just as father when father started min ministry he was involved in politics and the biggest problem in Korea was communism father experienced it personally and North Korea was communist etc etc Soviet Union was communist China was communist and so fathers became very very early in the 1950s or even 40s I don't know certainly in the 50s

but father became intensely engaged in the victory over communism work and a victory over communism a meeting to explain to people communism, Marxism, Lenon is is satanic. It's a false ideology which you know he invested a huge amount of that in Korea then in Japan and uh in America and South America limited extent in in Europe and then father realized there's a possibility of conflict between religions. So father started huge amount of effort and energy went into into inter interreligious foundation

and the rys and all sorts of projects to try to because father could anticipate this is going to be a problem in the future between Jews, Christians and Muslims. So he tried to invest in that and you know so many other things father invested so much in because he could see these are the problems they have to invest in all these things. So most of the money in our movement was spent on that Washington times and all these things. How much time did father spend on the blessing? The matching and blessing. Not much in reality. Yeah. I think it would I think it would have been nice if he spent more time matching people, having conversations, getting personally involved

and all these things and intercultural stuff and everything else within our own community. But his main focus is actually what was going on in the world. And uh yeah, there's a big meeting. Mhm. newspaper. Anybody wants to be joining I don't I think it just take much more effort to deal with like 50,000 people when you're in such a position to say Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Our movement should develop much more into anybody ever come across Sunday school materials? What did you did you have Sunday school when you were young? No, I'm not talking about you, Anne. Obviously, you did. I'm talking about the the girls at the back. Did you have Sunday school? Did they have Sunday school materials

and books? Sorry. A little bit. Who developed them? So, what did you say? Japanese missionaries develop Sunday. like your mom's. Yes. But yeah. Yeah. No, I'm just saying did the church itself produce good Sunday school materials and tech and books? Did they? No, there wasn't any. That's a huge problem. Our second gem were not given the kind of education they should have received in terms of good Sunday school materials and training and preparation, good Sunday school teachers and then the principle itself should have been taught to children very differently than the way it's taught to adults. The principle divine principle lecture two-day workshop 7 days 21 day it's very abstract. If you teach this to to young children it just okay.

So unfortunately our spiritual community never developed good educational materials for children of a particular age groups and that's a real problem. That's why there's so few second gen who are still involved in our spiritual community because the principle is just abstract doctrine and theology. It's not lifechanging and life enhancing and life you know. Yeah. When I was in Korea there were very good compar ina but what I heard the main problem was in 2003 was they didn't have anything after

so people got blessed and then what there were nothing nothing really yeah interest I agree before and after yeah before blessing and after blessing and everything unfortunately we haven't invested what we should have done in our own spiritual community and especially in our young people which is the future and so That's uh why we are the way you are problem. Anyway, so personally I've been doing quite a lot here but uh should have been a lot more done. Okay. So the mission then was to solve the problem of the Roman occupation. Okay.

So instead of going to Jerusalem at Passover, Jesus could have continued to build a bigger base. So I in my opinion Jesus thought that he was in a much stronger base than he had. But actually when he arrived in Jerusalem after Palm Sunday, he's preached in the temple. But then the high priest and chief priests came against him. So he didn't have that kind of depth of foundation which he needed. So I think he could have just didn't have to go to Jerusalem at Passover. He didn't have to go in, you know,

and get proclaimed as a king of the Jews when he king of Israel when he went in. He didn't have to go and cause all the disturbance in the temple which he did cause. Uh that was not necessary. But something he did and I personally think that was a mistake. So he could have, you know, had more followers. He only around for three years, not enough length of time to be able to do what he wanted to do. Uh he needed better connection to authorities. I think that would have been something that John the Baptist could have

and should have done if things worked out better there. And this is actually what Gandhi and Martin Luther King did when they put Jesus's teaching into practice. So when Gandhi started doing this, it was round about the time of the first world war. Was it afterwards? Can't remember exactly now. Anyway, he was a great student of uh of Toltoy who uh took Jesus teachings and developed a program to solve problems in Russia. And um Gandhi read that very influenced by that very influenced also by Janism

and pacifism and a peaceful way to and a nonviolent way to solve problems which is exactly what Jesus is teaching a nonviolent way to solve and address problems. So Gandhi picked that up and so did Martin Luther King. But Gandhi realized sometimes he had a lot of followers wanting independence from Britain but sometimes they would resort to violence and then he'd say no no we're going to delay this going to stop. we have to focus much more on developing um civil disobedience and nonviolence and

then we can have another go. So it took many many sever several decades. You have to have that kind of patience and Martin Luther King as well. He took up those ideas of Jesus uh and led that again the result was for Martin Luther King eventually the British became so ashamed if you watch that film Gandhi that the British left. You look at Martin Luther King, you know, I think it was a JFK was president at that time and they brought in the civil rights reforms. Okay. And okay, right. So all these changes are brought in, you know,

and it was through nonviolence. If they had reacted and behaved violently, it never would have happened. just order letter suppression as happened with the Romans. So, you know, it could have worked out differently. Wasn't necessary for Jesus to be crucified. That's what happened, but it shouldn't have happened. And it certainly wasn't necessary because he was crucified. He could no longer complete his mission. And the Jewish people were wiped out, you know, for 2,000 years. So Jesus said, "I'll come again

and look forward to the marriage supper of the lamb." Jesus unable to fulfill heavenly parents hope due to the distrust of Israel not correct it's because of the occupation of the Roman authorities promises return looking forward to the marriage supper of the lamb mission of Christianity is they await the return of Jesus to welcome the only begotten daughter and to be united with her in preparation for the marriage supper of the lamb for the second coming Messiah. So why the accused? So again it says here the Jews were accused of hope due to the belief disbelief of Israel.

So I want to go into this a bit more again. Why the Jews accused of disbelief and so this is after Jesus had been arrested by the high priest and then he was transferred over to Pontius Pilate who's a governor and um according to the Matthew it says now at the festival the governor was accustomed to release a prisoner for the crowd anyone whom they wanted. So Pontius Pilate then he interrogated Jesus and Jesus refused to answer the questions he asked like a wise person's been uh prosecuted he refused to answer the questions

and Pilate took him outside according to this and gave the Jewish crowd who out there the choice of releasing Jesus or Barabus. And in the Bible it says this was a festival that was a custom. Now, this is a professor of the New Testament, American. Scholars have looked for evidence and so far have never found anything in reference to the so-called custom of releasing a prisoner out on Passover. So, even though it says that in the Bible, it's actually not true. This is really important. Just

because the Bible's the Bible doesn't mean everything in the Bible is true. You have to go and check it up. Like, were the Romans really nice people? No, they weren't. So, this is how it goes. So, while P pilot was se sitting on the judgment seat, his wife sent word to him, "Have nothing to do with that innocent man. For today I've suffered a great deal because of a dream about him that's written in the in Matthew. Is it true?" Well, this is Helen Bond, professor of Christian origins at Edinburgh University. Looked into all of these things. If Jesus was causing trouble at a gathering like Passover,

so Passover is a festival to celebrate liberation from slavery in Egypt. It's an incredibly political festival. We're going from slaves to freedom and now we're slaves again. So celebrating Passover had all these political, you know, things going along with it. So when the city was crowded, so Jesus was causing trouble. If Jesus was causing trouble when the city was crowded to bursting, I don't think Pilate would have spent much time worrying about what to do with him. It was entirely up to the governor as to how he dealt with the case.

And after hearing the evidence, he no doubt thought that getting rid of Jesus was the best course of action. So this so what's this thing going on with this mob then? So this was Pilate. this kind of person he was. You know, all the all the figures in the New Testament, in the Bible, they're all historical figures has been discovered by modern archaeology. He's a Roman governor of Judea, 26 to 36. He disrespected Jewish traditions. He was chastised by the emperor because he did that and caused problems. He took money from the temple. He slaughtered the Samaritans

and eventually he was withdrawn by the Roman emperor. This is what P feel pilot of Alexandria who's a contemporary said about Pilate in his history. Pilot's tenure was associated with briberies, insults, robberies, outrages, wanted injustices, constantly repeated executions without trial, and ceaseless and grievous cruelty. That's a historical pilot, not someone who would have paid any attention to an alleged madeup dream by his wife. This is what it says in Matthew. So when Pilate saw that he could not do he could do nothing. It's all made up this.

But rather that a rye was beginning, he took some water, washed his hands before the crowd, saying, "I'm innocent of this man's blood. See to it yourselves." Then the people as a whole answered, "His blood be on us and on our children." So that's the most important verse in the New Testament in many ways. Pilate says, "I am innocent of this man's blood. See to it yourselves." Actually, the Jews didn't kill Jesus. The Romans executed Jesus. He was executed by the Romans. On top of the cross was the king of the Jews. He was executed for a political charge trying to lead an uprising, insurrection. That's how it's seen from the Roman point of view.

But then it says here, the people as a whole answered, his blood be on us and upon our children. How's that impacted the whole of Christian history, European history especially? So what just happened? So Pilate, Rome, and the empire were being absolved of the responsibility for the crucifixion of Jesus. Pilate washed his hands. I'm not responsible. That also means that Rome was not responsible for the execution of Jesus or the Roman Empire. The only people responsible for the crucifixion of Jesus

now were the Jews. And not just any old Jews, but all the Jews. So that's why it says responsibilities transferred to the Jewish people as a whole and their descendants. That's what that sentence says. The Jews as a whole. I mean, they don't there wasn't a referendum. There weren't all the people asked. They're just supposed to be in this crowd on this morning, you know, in uh in Jerusalem. Responsively transferred to the Jewish people as a whole and to their descendants. How does that work? Have you ever heard of Socrates? Socrates are the greatest of the Greek philosophers

and he was executed. Do people say that the Greeks of today should be exe should be punished for the crucifix for the execution of Socrates 2 and a half thousand years ago? No one talks like that. It's strange. Even though in reality Jesus is received very well by the people and many leaders yet still this is what's been said. So out of and this then led to the culture creation of the culture of contempt that Christians uh and Europeans and people all over the world have felt contempt for Jews for the last 2,000 years.

And Christians didn't feel guilty, but justified in mistreating G Jews. So for 2,000 years then, Christians have mistreated Jews and they said, "We're not guilty for doing this. This is what they deserve. They deserve to be punished for what happened to Jesus being crucified." And there it says in the in Matthew that this crowd of people said, "Let his blood be upon us and on our descendants." Therefore, all we're doing is treating Jews the way they're supposed to be treated. And that's why Christians justified the Holocaust.

And it's very rare to find Christians today who will apologize or repent and feel any sense of regret what happened to Jews at the Holocaust. I watch I mean it's the 80th anniversary of the BE day. The other day I was watching television. There's one about um someone called David at not David Richard Atenburgh. He was a father of David and Jonathan Atenburgh. He's very very well-known journalist and commentator. So he went into Bellson which is what the day Belson which is one of the the death camps for the Holocaust in Germany. The day it was released he went in there took photographs pictures. It's shocking see these bits of bones

and all these dead bodies. Anyway, so you know, some of the people living in Bellson in the village were brought in. Didn't want to go. Didn't believe it. The Nazis who are running the death camp felt no sense of guilt. They felt very arrogant. We're just doing what was supposed to do. 20 years later, he went back to Bellson to see how people were dealing with this. and people going to church and after when they were coming out of church he said what do you think about Bellson not a single person would talk to him about it no guilt there at all

and you can see the rise of anti-semitism again today so what's going on then with this little this bit about let his blood be upon us and upon our children. What's going on? So you have to find out is this true? So this is a book written by Ulrich Lewis. He's a professor of New Testament at the University of Burn Switzerland and Cottting I guess is in Germany. So Olrich Lewis describes the incident as an reductional fiction invented by the author of the Gospel of Matthew. Matthew says that while the Romans actually carried out the deed, the Jews were responsible. A line of argument

that has been of course had disastrous consequences ever since. That's what Helen Bond said. So the question of why did the author of the Gospel of Matthew or the editor, why did they stick that little why did they make up this little scenario and put in that fundamental verse? let his blood be upon us and our our children. Okay. So that time Christians were witnessing in the Roman Empire and Christians were being persecuted and so they didn't want Jesus to come across as a political subversive

and rebel against Roman authority. That's why in the New Testament the Romans are got a nice whitewash. There's nothing there about the reality of the Roman occupation. Christians didn't want Jesus to be portrayed as someone who's trying to lead a ro an uprising against the Roman authorities because they get persecuted even more. And so they didn't want the Romans to be blamed for the crucifixion. So they say, "Okay, instead of blaming the Romans for the crucifixion, which is going to get us into even more trouble

and persecution and make Romans even less likely to want to become Christians, let's transfer the blame for the crucifixion from the Romans onto the Jews." And they accuse the Jews of rejecting and murdering Jesus. You find that in the divine principle, the Jews murder Jesus. So much of this Christian view has been inherited in our own spiritual community sadly. That is why the picture of the Romans in the gospels is so favorable. So Jesus was then turned into a spiritual messiah bringing spiritual salvation. Jesus's mission was to bring the kingdom of heaven on the earth. Thy will be done on earth as it is in heaven. Jesus

and the Jews are concerned about earth. You ask Jews about the spirit world. They say, "I'm not interested." Jews aren't interested in the spiritual world. They're not interested in life after death. All they're interested in is how do I live my life in this world to make this world a better world than I found it? That's all that counts for Jews. Christians though, oh, am I going to go to heaven when I die? That's all Jew, that's the main emphasis on Christianity is am I saved? Is my sins being forgiven? Am I born again? Am I going to get to heaven when I die? That's the most important thing for Christians.

But it's not something Jews are interested in whatsoever. They're only interested in how do I live my life in this world. For Christians, it's are you believing the right thing? Do you believe the Nying creed? Do you believe Jesus is this, you know, the only begotten son of God, light of light, God of gods, etc., etc. Who cares? Jews have got 70 different interpretations for every single Bible verse. They don't care what you believe. They care about how do you live your life. Do you live a that's more important how you live than what you believe. Are you observing living according to the Mosaic law

and treating people fairly and justly? That's the most important thing. So, but then after the crucifixion, resurrection, Jesus, that whole political dimension of what Jesus is trying to accomplish was just stripped away and all became about he was crucified to bear for our sins and then there's a resurrection and he believe in Jesus and the Holy Spirit. You can be born again and when you die you go to heaven. It's completely spiritualized. That's not what he was into at all. It was a any more than

that was what father was into. father is focused upon making the world a better place. I wish he'd spent more time on the blessing and this this and this and this but that was his main interest was in that. It's a shame if he, you know, but other people should have taken up that and produced good Sunday school materials. You know, we had the facilities, we had the possibility of doing that. We didn't do it. It's a shame. So, the political dimension of establishing the kingdom of heaven was removed

because it's all politics, justice, solving those problems. So, no longer about building the kingdom on earth, but forgiving people sins so they go to heaven when they die. And that is the end of today's lecture. There's more to come, but that's the end. So, thank you. I hope you found it interesting. Good. I'll just say a little prayer. Most beloved heavenly parent, we thank you so much being able to spend this day together studying your word, studying the Bible, studying about Jesus, studying about true parents,

and understanding you and your providence much more deeply. I just wish that we'd done this much more in the past, and I wish we did this much more today to understand the deep, deep foundation upon which we're standing, which we need to inherit. ask a blessing on everyone who came here today and all those watching online and those who are going to watch uh the YouTube as well. You can really bless them with your spirit and they can be born again through the Holy Spirit and have a new life, a new beginning. He offers prayer now. My name William Haynes of Central Bless Family. Amen.