🇺🇸Adonia Hentrich

Hosts: Adonia, you were my pastor for a couple of years recently, and I got to know you a little bit, but I'm excited to dive deeper about your unique story. You share pretty vulnerably on the pulpit to your community, and I'd like to know — you talked about growing up in rural Missouri, you talk about nature a lot in your sermons, that's really important to you, your kids are growing up in a concrete jungle a little bit in Denver — what is a memory of faith, and what did that mean to you growing up in your family and where you grew up?

Adonia: That's a really good question, because I feel like my experience of my faith and growing up in this church actually looks really different from most other young people I know. Many people grew up in church communities, lived close to or even with their friends. I spent most of my childhood in very rural Missouri. We lived four miles down a gravel road, about 25 minutes away from the nearest gas station, school, or grocery store, and an hour away from the nearest movie theater or mall. A lot of my time was spent alone or with a couple of neighbors. The nearest church was two and a half hours away, and we would drive up frequently, but it was still a small part of the life I was living.

Adonia: One thing that really stands out to me was how my parents made faith real in our home and our circumstances. Something I really resonated with was nature. I just loved animals and flowers and the sunset, and I think my mom really caught on to that. One year we were getting ready to celebrate one of our major holy days — the Day of All Things, where we celebrate the beauty of God's nature and how much God loves us through all the things prepared for us in this world. My mom said, "Day of All Things is coming up. Let's go do a nature walk and find all the beautiful things God has prepared for us. Why don't we find something new that we didn't find before?" I loved a nature walk, so I was so excited.

Adonia: We took little notepads and pencils and did this godly scavenger hunt to find something new we hadn't seen before. Day of All Things takes place in June, and June in Missouri is just glorious. Everything is blooming. All the animals are out. The birds are singing. I was filled with the wonder of God's creation and beauty, and I was inspired to create a piñata. I'm a crafty person, so I got this huge balloon, covered it with paper mache, and made an ocean portion and a forest portion and a sky portion. It took me days, but I loved how my mom encouraged me to connect to my faith in a way that was exciting for me.

Adonia: We also did what we call offering tables on these major holy days and on birthdays. When a child has a birthday, we have a tradition of an offering table covered with beautiful fruits and candies and snacks, and we start the day by acknowledging that this child is, first and foremost, God's child. I loved those special moments of preparing the offering table and doing this little ceremony of simple prayer and sharing time together as a family. I knew my classmates weren't doing this on their birthdays, but I didn't feel weird about it. I was like, this is really special. That's something I still do for my children on their birthdays. As a child, I can't think of a lot of experiences of going to church that really stood out to me, or of friends of faith, but my parents really let me explore the parts of it that I liked and resonated with — which was mostly nature.

Hosts: It sounds like it was quite a natural experience of faith — not highly intellectual or studied, or regimented. You said you didn't go to church often, but there were obviously some teachings from your parents. Your mom said, let's go find what God has prepared for you in nature. What was your dad's contribution to that?

Adonia: My dad's contribution was pretty laid back. Actually, my dad was going through a crisis of faith for a lot of my childhood, and I appreciate that he didn't express things negatively. He also loved nature. He's just like a little mountain man out in the woods. As time has gone by, I've seen him really reconnect to God's love for him through nature. He's a big softie — a big teddy bear with a beard and an axe. I've learned a lot about God through him in more recent years. As a child, though, it was mostly my mom.

Hosts: It's interesting to hear you talk about your dad on a journey wrestling with his own faith. We have a tendency in faith communities to think that's a bad thing or a problem, but it's a very normal part of the journey. Hearing you describe your childhood, it feels like a very organic way of experiencing faith — not boxed in or cookie cutter — which gave you a little more freedom.

Adonia: I would definitely agree. We did go to church, and I got some basics through Sunday school, and from time to time my mom would pull out a children's Divine Principle, a little outline of faith, and go over things with me. So it wasn't that I didn't have any of that, but it certainly didn't mean much to me as a child. Growing up in nature, I was so immersed in it. I spent so much time outside. But it wasn't all just beauty. There was a lot of sadness. I was always really sad when my dogs would catch a baby bunny and rip off its head. This life is really a cycle of life and death, beauty and pain, light and dark, cold and warmth. My house was heated by a wood-burning furnace, and in the mornings it was frigid, and we'd huddle in front of the vent and wait for the heat to come up. Even when I was inside the house, I felt immersed in nature. I took it as very normal. As I grew up and got to know more of my friends and their experiences, this really wasn't part of their life for the most part. But for myself, understanding God through the things he's prepared for us, and through what we would call the principle of creation — how God outlined this world and the principles he did it through — was apparent to me through what I observed. That was a natural foundation for going deeper later on.

Hosts: That's a perfect segue to our next question: was there a pivotal moment or a time in your life where you really consciously decided to stay in this movement? As children who grow up in it, it's kind of expected by our parents, but each of us has to face our own decision whether or not this is really right for us. Especially after hearing what sounds like such an idyllic childhood — the heartland of America springs to mind — was there a challenging time or a pivotal moment for you?

Adonia: There are really two very outstanding points in my life. One was on my missions program, and I really had this showdown conversation with God. It was a process of months of prayers and digging and asking and not really wanting to hear what God had to say to me, and then really being touched by God and understanding God's heart. I felt like it transformed my purpose and what I'm doing here. But I don't really want to focus on that as much. About ten years after that, I felt like I faced an even more, in some ways, practical crisis of faith. I had found God in my heart, but I wasn't really sure if I wanted to be in this church.

Adonia: This was about ten years ago, and about ten years after my first crisis of faith. I was already married, I had children, and it was in some ways a lot higher-stakes situation. Do I want to stay in this church when I'm already married in it and I'm already raising my kids in it? At that point in time, our founder, Reverend Moon, had just passed away. There was a lot of political confusion among leaders of our church, and it was very hard to feel like things were crumbling. If I tried to look at the future — where is this going? — I'd grown up with these ideals of, our church is going to change the world, we have something this world hasn't seen before, we have something to offer this world, and nothing's changing. We're just falling apart here, is what I felt.

Adonia: If I had to put it into an analogy, I felt like the church was a runaway train, and the tracks were cracking. Do I want to stay and watch the train wreck happen? Or should I just walk away and pretend this isn't happening? Even though I'd had a very deep experience with God in my previous searching, it was also a feeling like, God, you've led me this far in this faith — why is this happening? Is this something you really want me to be in? Is this real? Am I misunderstanding you? There was a lot of questioning. My husband was also going through his own journey of faith at that point. He hadn't really gone through this crisis point before, and this was really his time of searching. He said, I need to know for myself if this is real. He looked up all the bad things you could ever read about our church — they go on and on and on. He really looked for the objective things as well. He didn't want to just read good things people said because they were part of our church, but he also wanted to find from objective points of view what people's experience was with our founders, with our faith, on a social level, on a legal level. We were both in this really interesting space where we had spent so much of our life already in this church, already raising our children in it, and not sure if that's what we really wanted anymore.

Hosts: That was an active conversation you and your husband were having?

Adonia: Yeah. I'm grateful that we could have these open, honest conversations and that our family also supported us during this time. Up to that point we had been living and working with a school that somebody in our church had created, and then we decided to take a break. We needed to take a year. We needed to start to create our own life. We needed to figure out what is really important to us, what we want our life to look like, especially as our oldest children were already four years old. Getting into school age, what do we want for them? We took a year and lived with my parents. We went back to Missouri, my beautiful little oasis, and my sister was living there as well. They were all very embracing and let us go through what we needed to go through.

Adonia: Right at the beginning of that year, my husband's father — he had been pastoring the church we're at now, the Colorado Family Church, for about ten years — said, it's time for me to step down. I need to get out of the way and let young people lead. I would be honored if you and Adonia would step into this role. We were just like, heck no. That is the worst idea I have ever heard. Mike said it politely, but I was actually insulted that he would consider asking us to do such a thing, especially as we were beginning this struggling journey. We've seen our parents in leadership roles, we've seen struggles they've gone through, we've seen how the pastoring life can be really hard on families.

Adonia: A couple of times throughout that year, either Mike's dad or one of the council ladies at the church would contact us and ask, have you given it any more thought? We kept politely turning them down. It took me a while to get over the knee-jerk reaction of, this is just the worst. How dare you suggest I spend my life pastoring? I know all the things that could go wrong and will go wrong. I know the challenges. I know there's going to be dealing with all these people's problems in the community and knowing about all of them and trying to help fix them. And pressures from above, from headquarters and the national church, and initiatives they want us to fulfill, and expectations. Pastoring is not just a clock-in, clock-out job. It never really ends. And pastoring where the church is at, feeling like it's on a runaway train wreck — do I actually want to get on the train?

Adonia: Over the course of that year, Mike was sorting through a lot of his things. A place that we came to before we actually really considered pastoring was a really unique place that probably most people wouldn't think is a good place for a pastor to be in. We came to this place of, I don't know. I can't say for sure if this is all real. I can't say for sure that all of this is really true. I don't have 100% conviction in it. And yet everything I've learned about the essence of this faith has brought me more joy and happiness and fulfillment in my family than any of my school friends or people I see out in this world who are struggling so hard just to figure out how to make a relationship work, how to keep a relationship with their kids, how to do something meaningful with their life. All those things had been little by little osmosis-fied into me and had so much value.

Adonia: And then really deep aspects of the theology too, about restoration. One point in our faith is that in order to create a more peaceful world, we have to restore it. We can't just create a beautiful world. We have to restore people's hurts. We have to heal their hurts. We have to go into those dark and tricky and complicated places of life and bring healing to them. We can't just say, God, I believe in you and everything is wonderful. I really resonated with using my life to restore things that are difficult, because then it's done. It can't sneak up from behind you and get you later. Let's deal with all of the things to create something beautiful that can't be shaken. That's something really amazing that our faith understands and brings to this world. It's such a beautiful recipe for life.

Adonia: So both Mike and I got to this point where we were like, maybe — I don't know — maybe we get to the end of our life, we die, and that's it. Maybe there's nothing after that. I can't say with 100% conviction that I know what happens after we die. But I do know with 100% conviction that if I live my life this way, following these principles, restoring difficulties and pain from the past, creating beautiful relationships with my family, I have no regrets. And I wouldn't even have regrets about sharing that with other people, because it's a beautiful way to live.

Adonia: So when, once again, we were asked, would you consider becoming pastors? — finally I'd gotten all the negative knee-jerk reaction and emotion away from that question. We asked ourselves, well, what are the worst things that could happen? But what are the best things that could happen? What would the potential be if we did a good job, if we really did this well? We listed all the negative things — that was quite long. But then we started to think, okay, what if we went into a community and started to do this restoration bit? Started to heal people's hearts. Started to deal with the same things we'd been dealing with for the past year — struggling with the politics, with our founder's passing, with rumors, all these kinds of things. What if, instead of pretending they didn't exist or sweeping them under a rug, we addressed them? What if we talked about them? What if we healed hurts? What if we had a community that was full of happy, thriving families excited to see each other on Sundays and excited about their faith? What kind of effect might that have on our church community as a whole?

Adonia: Because in our faith, everything is so interconnected. Our young people all around the country know each other. We know many of our friends across the world. It's like two degrees of separation instead of five. We really felt like, what if we made a real difference in this community? There's got to be ripple effects that would start to go out that might give inspiration to other people who are struggling, that might help other communities find a place where they can be more wholesome. I can't guarantee it, but I really felt like there's potential to change something huge for our church community and for our families and our young people's experience of what church is. The further we went down this rabbit hole, it was like there's not really an end to the possible positive outcomes of doing this. We were driving in the car and talking about it, and we just stopped and looked at each other and were like, well, I guess we're doing this. We can't really say no to this anymore. Even so, at that point, it's not like we had 100% conviction in our faith, but we had conviction in what living this kind of life and sharing this lifestyle with others could do for our family, for our community, and for the world. That was our starting point of stepping into pastorship.

Hosts: I would say it's very unconventional. I once interviewed a pastor who had pastored for seven or eight years in a large church community, and he said that actually, if you're not examining yourself as a pastor, you're not doing your job. That is the greatest gift it gives — to you and your family. You might inspire a few people here or there, but they say your congregation remembers less than 10% of what you say on the pulpit. It's very humbling. I find this point that the teachings of restoration — you took that very personally, like this could be a ripple effect to other people. That's an incredibly altruistic perspective, despite what you were going through. It's interesting that that's what got you out of that time. I'd say it was more of an evolution, right, of questioning everything. But I find it interesting that you chose the altruistic path. Maybe you had this negative knee-jerk reaction of, how dare you tell me to sacrifice my life for other people, but actually seeing what the ripple effect could be on you and your family. I can say with confidence, having lived in that community, that you are building that. I do see those ripple effects in that community and those young people and our elders as well.

Hosts: It's interesting to me too, because hearing you describe the struggle, two things stood out to me. One is the surrendering. There's always this moment of surrender, almost, to let go of certainty. Sungmi and I have mentioned Father Richard Rohr's work before — letting go of the need to be certain, which often acts like a security blanket we use to hide from the world, from the reality of ourselves, from our struggles. Letting go of that almost opens up the possibility of the mystery and the wonders and the possibilities. Then you guys were able to consider the possibilities. It's hard for people to let go. When I'm in the midst of struggle, it's the hardest time to surrender. There's a distinction between surrendering and giving up. Just saying, I'm done with this, fine, you want me to do it, I'll do it — that's very different. It's a little scary to not be certain anymore.

Adonia: Oh, for sure. Unfortunately, our church community, I feel, has this negative connotation around asking questions or doubting. When I was much younger, if I caught wind that one of my friends, some second-generation young person, was struggling or doubting, it was like, oh no, that's so sad and awful. But whenever I'm asked to give a talk to young people these days, I really encourage them to ask their big questions and not try to hide them away or forget about them. It's almost ingrained in us that we shouldn't ask, we shouldn't struggle, but I think the real beauty of faith comes through that questioning and, maybe, coming to that point of surrender, like, I really don't know, and maybe God won't give all the answers, but God has some kind of answer to give us in those moments that's really embracing and fulfilling and can lead us on our next step, whatever that might be.

Hosts: Thank you for sharing that, Adonia. That's a really helpful reminder that it's okay to have curiosity — that's how God created us. We're curious, learning, adapting beings. You're pastors, you have four kids, and I know you've talked a lot, you and your husband, about how you try to not sacrifice your family for your mission. What do you see as what you'd like to pass on to your kids? How would you like them to raise their families in the future? What are the values and teachings most important for you to teach them, or for them to inherit?

Adonia: That's a really good question. Before I get straight to that — you mentioned how we don't want to sacrifice our family for our mission, and I would really say that pastoring is not my mission, and running a school is not my mission. I discovered my personal mission statement about 12 or 15 years ago. I was in a seminar where the purpose was to find this, but it wasn't like we sat down and tried to figure out the words bit by bit. I've been in those types of environments and it's very frustrating, but I felt my mission statement just kind of well up from inside of me. My mission in life is to create a truly loving family, where love is palpable and free-flowing between me and my husband, and between us and our children, and little by little growing this love between my children, between the siblings, where that's just so warm and welcoming and embracing that it spills out to the people around us, and they get embraced in it and feel God's love through our family. That's my mission. The other things we're doing in life are an expression of how we're doing that mission right now. Pastoring is really just, I hope, a way of our love spilling out to those around us, drawing them into God's love through our family. My family is the mission, and we find ways for it to spread out further.

Hosts: That's very insightful of you to make that distinction. I respect that a lot, because a lot of people take on their missions, and their mission becomes the definition of themselves. I am only as worthy as the contribution I make or what I do, and not actually valuing who you are as God's child. Making that distinction between what your personal mission in life is versus your contribution — that's such a healthy way of doing things, and I really applaud you, because it's not easy. It's easy to fall into that trap of doing this work and saying, this is who I am.

Adonia: When it comes to what I hope our children inherit — earlier you mentioned how you felt like it was a very altruistic decision to pastor, but you also sent me questions ahead of time, like, what is one thing that you take with you? If I had to boil it down to one thing, it's that we're not on this planet for ourselves. This world only really works when we take care of each other. It's very hard to use the words "live for the sake of others," like always do things for others rather than myself, but I've been very conscious in my life to not do things for myself at the expense of others. That's a very damaging and painful thing that causes a lot of hurt in this world. Even as a child, when I was struggling with somebody at school, my mom would remind me, they're your brothers and sisters too, and you don't have to love them, love them, but you can at least take care of them or treat them like your brothers and sisters. They're not your enemy. Really having a perspective that we're all in this world together — it's not just about me, and it's not just about you.

Adonia: One aspect of our faith is there is a really clear dividing line. It's easy to say there's a lot of gray area in what's right and what's wrong, how far is too far, what is truly good. But the clear dividing line outlined in our faith is that when you do things for the sake of other people, or when you do something that benefits others without a selfish motivation, that's something God can claim — that is a godly thing to do, that resembles God's heart and God's love. And if we do something with a motivation for my benefit, it can even look like you're doing something good, but if it's for my own recognition or my own benefit, that's the opposite of God. That's been imbued in my education of life. If I had to pick something I want my children to inherit, I think that would be it, because that ultimately leads to good decisions in all areas of your life. It leads to good relationships. If I want my kids to have good family and good relationship with their future spouses, it does start from there.

Adonia: I definitely don't feel like I have mastered that, so I'm saying that as an ideal and a hope. I really hope it's learned more through observation than by teaching. Even though I can speak at Sunday service to 100 people, speaking to your children is very different, and I don't always know the right words to say and how to convey that, so I'm just kind of hoping it rubs off.

Hosts: That's all we can try. It's maybe the greatest challenge but the greatest gift — growing gift from God to be around children and be responsible for them, and not just their well-being but how they turn out, hopefully to be good people and serving people, a good addition to the world.

Adonia: Raising kids is a process for us also to develop awareness within ourselves of how we're living and how we're being, because they're absolutely going to follow what they observe and how we are rather than what we say. Parenting my kids has made me realize that as I continue to work on myself, they're like sponges. They get the benefit right away. They catch on to things that took me a real journey of struggling to come to or realize for myself, and they're like, oh yeah, I get it. That is the interconnectedness of our spiritual journey as a family, not just as a congregation. It's a really beautiful thing I didn't recognize until I was getting older. When we can see our parents growing and learning and developing in their relationships with each other over time, it actually gives so much life to our children. Growing up, I thought, well, my parents are this way, that's just the way they are. But seeing them become more flexible or more loving to each other, or my dad going deeper in his love for God in his 60s and 70s — it's really encouraging that it's never too late. Life is hopefully long, and life is a journey, and there's a lot to be learned in all parts of it.

Hosts: So pastoring — what would you say has contributed the most to your personal spiritual journey? What has that taught you?

Adonia: I think the people who get the most benefit out of pastoring are actually the pastors. I hope it rubs off to others, but every week we're really forced to look at our life and our heart and where we're at. We take a topic we want to talk about, and we have to say, how am I doing in this area? Am I actually practicing forgiveness? Every week it's like a check-in with God. If I'm going to talk about forgiveness, is there anybody I need to forgive or ask forgiveness of? Because if I don't, I probably won't be able to give a very good message. It literally happens all the time. It's so beneficial to us, but I hope that in our genuine exploration and practice it creates a space for others to do it. A lot of times we get up there and we say, this is what I've been struggling with this week, so I'm giving this message to myself.

Adonia: It's a real blessing to our family and to our personal lives. I mentioned that when we came into pastoring, really without conviction, but I will say that over the last ten years we've gone a lot deeper in our faith and our relationships. Over time, I would say we see God working really clearly in the things we do and in the results we see from our efforts. We get a lot of affirmation from God that we're on the right track. I'd like to make it clear to anybody who's listening that I am not an atheistic pastor. I still don't have all the answers. I don't know what life after death really, really, really looks like. But I feel like I started from that point. We're getting closer.

Hosts: Hearing you reaffirm not having all the answers — there is a joy in the process of discovery. It's more about the journey than the destination. I've been reading Atomic Habits by James Clear, and he talks about how people fixate on the goal as the thing — if I achieve this goal, I'm going to be happy. But he says even people who fail have goals. It's not the goal that makes you successful. The process of change is the journey. Each little step that you take — this is the person I am becoming. Enjoying the process and finding the joy in the small things rather than fixating on one big thing. And then it happens, and we're not even that happy. We're happy for a minute or two, and then it's like, okay, the next thing.

Adonia: That's a hard balance to find, because my husband is really the visionary. He has these big goals and big ideas. I'm a little bit more like, let's enjoy the moment and what we have now. It really takes both of us, because he pulls me forward — and there's beauty in the striving and the struggle along the way. We do need that vision to pull us forward. But I also have to remind my husband, we have a beautiful life right now, even though we haven't accomplished all the things we want to accomplish. It's a balance.

Hosts: I'm more like your husband, and my husband is more like you. He'll just randomly be like, oh, we have such a nice house and such great kids. And I'm like, are you kidding me? Our house is falling apart and our kids are demons sometimes. But I have come to appreciate what a gift it is that he has the ability to have spontaneous moments of gratitude. That is the real journey. I have the big ideas and I'm like, let's do this and it'll be amazing. But I'm learning to be more like him and grounding myself.

Hosts: It sounds like you guys are the perfect balance to each other. So currently, what is nourishing your spirit right now? Do you have a spiritual practice? What are you reading? Is it taking care of animals? What brings you personal fulfillment right now in your spiritual life?

Adonia: That's such a good question, and it really has changed a lot over the years. When I was a child, it was really being in nature. As I went on to my missions program and started asking a lot of questions, I had so many questions for God, and prayer was really important for me for a number of years. I felt I could really come to God without anything between us and just share my heart and ask questions. Prayer was a really big part of my life for probably a good ten years. The last ten years or so of my life has really been more action and relationship — as an expression of my faith, experiencing my faith, and finding energy in my faith.

Adonia: One part of our theology is that in our growth towards God, in order to really get God in our life, we need a foundation of faith — which begins with a relationship with God, with prayer, with living a life in accordance with God, one-on-one, with my conditions or my cold showers, some kind of thing I'm doing personally to open myself to God. And then, based on this foundation of faith, we need to create a foundation of substance — what's tangible, what's real in the world, what's in my relationship with others, where God is in my relationship with others. We really need both of those things before we can become one with God or really receive God into our life. One thing our faith points out is that a lot of people in history from the beginning of time have done the first part well. They've built the ark on the mountaintop in a desert with faith. They've done the prayers. They've lived a holy life on their own. But where many times people in history that God has counted on have fallen short is in the tangible practice of their faith and relationship to other people. In many ways that's more difficult. But that's where I'm really finding life in my faith now.

Adonia: First of all, actually, with my husband, I had this really special realization seven or eight years ago when Mike and I were just talking in bed before going to sleep one night. We were sharing — I don't remember the details — probably our hopes or our worries, our fears and what we really wanted to accomplish. It was a very beautiful conversation. I had this moment of, I feel like I'm talking to God right now. I feel like God is receiving my hopes and my worries and my fears, when I'm talking to my husband. That was a huge moment for me. I actually pray less to God now and I talk more to my husband. I have my moments where I need to go to God, too. But I don't think it was just a bit. I do think that sometimes people really connect on a personal level and they just love each other and are attracted to each other. But this wasn't that kind of conversation. It was like we as a couple were offering our hopes and our dreams to God, and we were doing it through each other.

Adonia: So in my personal relationships, I really feel I have to be mindful about how I talk to others, the words I use, what actions I do. If I care about somebody, am I showing it in an action in a way they can feel it? Especially if there's a hurt, or if I hurt somebody by my inaction or insensitivity, how am I going to restore that? What am I going to do to heal that? Or if it's not me, but I see somebody going through a difficult time, I know I can't fix it for them. It's very hard to be a pastor and see people's struggles and not be able to fix their problems for them — that's probably one of the hardest things. But is there something I can offer that might be a resource? An encouragement? A story from my own life where I went through something similar that God worked in, or that I overcame, that might open a door for this person to find restoration in their own life? That's where I find my life — in the energy of my life of faith — in the doing and the people and the relationships, and finding God in others.

Hosts: I find that incredibly hopeful, because it's not esoteric. It's not just a belief. You're putting it into practice, and it's something we can all do — look for that restoration, look at ourselves and what we can offer others and supporting each other. Thank you for that, Adonia. That's a beautiful point for us to end on.

Adonia: I will say, I don't think I could do it without God's words, without reading, without prayer. It does need to be there. Unfortunately, as a pastor, I have to dig through scriptures every week in order to come up with a message. That continues to give me nudges, and sometimes autocorrects me a little bit if I'm approaching something from one angle. Then I read words from our True Parents or from Jesus, and I think, oh, actually, maybe this is a better approach. So it's not that I don't have any reading or prayer, but those are more like a tributary to the river. It's something that adds purpose or direction.

Hosts: Thank you so much. This is probably one of my favorite interviews so far. There is this deep groundedness and humility in how you express your faith and how you're trying to live it. I find that so incredibly inspirational. I hope we can all kind of learn that we're all on that journey together. I hope that some of our listeners maybe have been inspired to figure out for themselves what practicing the faith looks like in real life. Thank you for joining.

Adonia: Thank you. It's a pleasure.