What is Canada's role in the dispensation?

Sun Myung Moon June 18, 1988 9:30 p.m. Clearstone Lodge, Canada Translator: Peter Kim (edited)

Does anybody have any good questions to ask Father?

(Father, from the providential point of view, what is Canada’s role in the dispensation?)

Canada used to be a British colony, didn’t it? And you still consider the British queen as titular Head of State, right? Well, we can say that Britain gave birth to America, the same kind of theory can be applied here, in the relationship between Britain and Canada. Therefore, if America is male. Canada can be female. Therefore, Canada has the destiny to follow America’s footsteps, not just in economics. but in politics. The population of Canada, Father understands, is about twenty-three million. (Response: Twenty-five million.) It’s about half the size of the Korean population, or even less than half. With North and South together, Korea has 60 million people — South Korea, 40 million, and North Korea, 20 million. But once the world becomes one united under God, it won’t make a difference in which country you live. Any other Photo date and location unknown questions?

(Is there a special significance behind the idea that Canada not only comes from England or from Europe, but maybe providentially that we are together with Europe?) Because of the relationship between Britain and Canada, spirit world may have said that way, so for example, when it comes to the European continent, we usually think the major countries are Britain, Germany, and France. Maybe that’s the reason But Father says from now on if you are working in conjunction with the American church, you’ll have faster growth. Actually, throughout history Canada and America were kind of enemies. You had battles, right? Because Britain had a war with America, somehow Canada got involved there, too.

Maybe that’s the reason, but in general, Canadian people don’t like America, do they? That’s the kind of historical tendency and trend, but we have to overcome that. We must not think that way. We should work together.

When it comes to Canadian people, Father feels that Canadian people are relatively smaller than American people because you are of British descent. Is that true? Father sees the same thing when he visits the European continent — people are smaller there. Like for example those from England and France. German people originated from mountain people — people who used to live in the mountains and who used to kill animals.

(Laughter) So British people originated from pirates, just as the German people are mountain people. That’s why they are good fighters.

If you have the concept of nationality, that will be the major roadblock for you to go into the Kingdom of Heaven, because once we go into spirit world there is only one nation That one nation hasn’t been established yet, but it will be established soon.

From Father’s point of view, Father’s responsibility for the road of indemnity course is done. It is over, completed. A good example and sign of this is that America is declining, and Soviet Russia is declining. On the contrary, what we are doing is now starting to show. The obvious sign is that once Soviet Russia declines to a certain level. then the only ideology will be Godism — Reverend Moon’s Headwing ideology, which will survive and prosper.

For example, in the Western free world here we are facing the major problem of immorality because of our extreme individualism. We stand for morality, and don’t really take care of it, and so everything is just decaying. What kind of power or method is there to rectify that? There is nothing which can. Economic power? No. Military power? No. Political power? No. The only remedy, the only rectifying force, is our Divine Principle.

You understand, on the other hand, the biggest problem in Soviet Russia is that the Russian government, the communist government, has been run on the communist ideology with the motto that the “state owns everything,” and there is no individual property whatsoever. So in the mind of Russian people, it is just military training, a military concept. So Russia now has a really deep economic problem. All those problems we can see.

The reason why the Soviet economy has been going down and declining recently — even in a dramatic way — is that because of their food distribution system. no individual owns any private property. The state owns everything and they give food according to the work one does. So people get smart, and even if they don’t put all of their effort into it, they know they will receive a certain amount of food and this and that for doing their job, so they just manipulate and play around the system.

Thus, the Soviet economy started going down, down, down, and now they are reaching the bottom That’s why when Father sees those two extreme worlds Soviet Russia and Western society — he wants to train all Unification Church members, whether old members or young members, to learn how to stand on their own feet when it comes to their financial situation for the future.

He wants to develop that kind of man in Father’s tradition Do you know what I mean? Also, Father wants you to be absolutely sure that you do not mingle with any immorality. That is the pride of the Unification Church members: no matter how sneaky or how smart people may try to get you involved in those dirty things, you will stand firm. That’s our pride. Also, economically we must be self-sufficient In that way, even if you happen to be left in the middle of Soviet Russia someplace, you will survive and prosper there. Also even if you are thrown into the jungle of American decadence, you will stand really strong without being influenced.

A good example is that our Japanese sisters here from Japan are doing everything — fundraising, and other activities. Isn’t that right? Father himself has been sitting that very example. Wherever he may go, whatever situation he may be involved in, he always has the ability and the confidence to stand on his own feet and take care of everything on his own. It’s not an easy thing to become a Unification Church member, is it? Because Father wants to raise you and train you to become a Unification Church member who can survive and overcome even if the winds or waves from the storm come at you, you should be able to survive that, and further, you should be able to overcome that and become successful from that situation. That’s why Father wants to put all of you through a real difficult situation before you reach 30 years old — all of you, with no exceptions!

For example, for those international married couples between Canadian husband and Japanese wife — when your wife comes from Japan, you as a husband should be responsible for your wife, because for her, this is a foreign country. Vice versa. If you decide to go or Father sends you to Japan and you stay there to work, then she will be responsible to support you, because that’s her country, yet it is a foreign country to you. Even if Father sends the two of you to Japan penniless, you should be able to survive there and even prosper. That’s the standard That’s own power!

Even if you stay together and live together happily as a family and Father says that one of you should be mobilized right now, then there should be no hard feelings, and she should be happy that you are going. It doesn’t matter when or where.

It doesn’t matter who — either husband or wife. Do you have that standard?

Witnessing to Canadians is not a difficult task, Father sees. If Father brings about two million members from all over the world, to work here in Canada, it wouldn’t take too long to witness to the entire Canadian population. We bring people from America. can’t we?

Look at Father. Father started with bare hands, empty hands. but now look at what foundation Father was established. You can do the same. That’s why Father brought Paul Werner, who is German, to come and work with you here in Canada Do you like Paul Werner, or don’t you like Reverend Werner?

(Yes.) Father thinks about one-third of you dislike him. Is it true? (No.) Father will keep Paul here in Canada until he sees all of you really like him, how about that? (Laughter) Father told Paul when he sent him here that he must apply German-style training. You know what German-style training is, right? — a really strict, Spartan method of training. But Father sees now that he is not really applying German-style training methods.

and not even Canadian-style training methods, so he doesn’t know what style it is. (Korean) I don’t think so. Paul is strong, isn’t he? But do you like a strong leader or a weak leader? (Strong.) Oh. you know well!

What time do you usually go to bed every night? (Midnight or 1:00 am) And what time do you usually get up? (5:00 am.) Then you get about five hours of sleep every night. But Father sees that Paul could train you with only two or three hours a night Then you will all run away, right?

In the early days of our Korean church, when Father was staying at the Headquarters building and educating and training the early members, Father didn’t let them sleep more than two or three hours a day so people got to know that so even though they really wanted to come to the Headquarters church and see Father, their first thought was, “Oh, if I go there, I can’t sleep more than two or three hours.” They were hesitant because of that The people who hesitated because they worried about the lack of sheep gradually stepped out of the movement The second training is eating. Father used to feed them only cooked barley - - no rice whatsoever, just unrefined barley that had been boiled They just ate that and nothing else. He didn’t even give them enough of that Father always made sure that everybody has enough room in their stomach that they could eat another meal easily, and he only fed a certain amount to them Do you understand what Father means? Father trained them how to overcome hunger. Through this kind of physical training in overcoming hunger and lack of sleep, a person always has the desire to get something. Father tried to utilize that desire to seek God.

There are three major obstacles or roadblocks or so called “enemies” in our life of faith. The first is sleeping how to overcome our sleeping habits. The second is related to the amount of food we eat — how to overcome our sleeping habits. The second is related to the amount of food we eat how to overcome hunger. The third thing is our stamina when it comes to the man-woman relationship — how to overcome that temptation Those three hints we must remember. Unless we overcome them, we cannot be successful. They are our enemies.

A good example is when you really eat a lot and your stomach is full — do you then really feel like going into a room to pray? Seriously? When your stomach is really full and you are very sleepy, you don’t feel like doing anything else but falling asleep right there. And when you really miss somebody or long for a member of the opposite sex, that’s the time Satan usually sneaks into you and manipulates your feelings and thinking. So we have to learn how to control ourselves when we are put into those kinds of situations. We must practice the lessons which we learned through fasting — to overcome that kind of hunger or fullness.

We must learn how to cut off the kind of feeling towards any lover or girlfriend or boyfriend, and how to overcome sleeping by doing a prayer vigil or other such methods we learn That’s the main reason the Catholic church has been practicing and training priests and nuns. not giving them enough food, not giving them permission to marry, not giving luxurious clothes, and not giving a real easy training course. You know what kind of courses they have been going through all these years. That is one of the reasons the Catholic Church has been practicing that With even that kind of standard of practice, the Catholic Church is declining nowadays, isn’t it? But then let’s look at ourselves — Unification Church members — how much freedom we have, what kind of lifestyle we lead. So is our success still promised?

It is not easy for you to witness to people, is it? But just wait a little bit longer, it will be much easier. The time has come.

Suppose we rent major TV stations in Canada for 40 days and we broadcast Divine Principle for 40 days. To witness to the 20-30 million people in this nation is not a big deal it is a piece of cake. It is not a difficult thing.

Do you know how famous Father has become? How well known? In general. have people in Canada heard about Father?

Do they know about him? (Yes.) Think about it — in the entire world, how many people know Father and have heard about Father. Father can say almost everybody in the world at least heard about Father, even if they don’t really know him.

Because of Satan’s manipulation, Father somehow was known to people as the most evil person because of his trend in helping God. This trend has been going in the opposite way now.

Father, who was known as the evil person, is becoming known as a better person, a good person, and as the best person to save the world So now it goes down this way, As you probably understand, the Asian continent has a population of about three billion people. They think that Reverend Moon is the savior for Asia Of course this includes Korea and the Korean people. They think Reverend Moon is the only one who could reunite North Korea and South Korea.

The time is coming that if Christian ministers in Korea or elsewhere really oppose Father, they will be beaten to death even on a public street People won’t just stand still. Now the wind started blowing in Korea, in Japan, and even in China. Father is becoming really well known even in China Even those high government officials in the Peking government want to invite Father to China to discuss many things. Have you heard about it before.

When we see winter, we feel like everything is frozen or almost everything is dead — even grass.

Wherever we look, things are covered by snow and ice. We don’t see any life. But as soon as the spring comes around the comer, we start seeing what? Life — from nowhere, from here and there. This is the time we are [acing right now. The spring has been coming up.

You stay in this Canada at the northern tip of this planet earth. That is why you may not be fully aware of it, but Father sees that clearly. (laughter) Father is asking you as Canadian church members — do you feel you need Father here? (YES!) Why? Why do you think you need Father here? For what? You said “Yes” so answer. For what do you need Father here? (True love.) Do you sisters want to lose to the brothers all the time?

Particularly Western wives and sisters. do you always want to be in the position as the loser to the men, and even your husband? Or do you want to be a winner too? You don’t mind losing to man all the time?

Of course man doesn’t want to lose to woman, but in Western society in general, in many cases husbands are being controlled by wives and just follow their skirts and do whatever they tell them to do. isn’t it reality? You don’t think that Western husbands are being subjugated by wives? To a certain extend it’s true, right?

Just ask yourself, why is man born? For what is woman born, created? (For man.) This is a serious question. Why is there man and woman? Why are they born? For what are they born? Suppose there is only one man here, do you think it would be all right? Or if just women kept bring born and no men? Why shouldn’t it be that way? (You need polarity for love.)

Your answer is correct Man and woman both are born for the purpose of love. Why are men and women born? Because man and woman both work together to seek true love. “True love” is the answer as to why man and woman are born. Life’s purpose is to seek for true love. Do you understand? (Yes.) The purpose of your birth and the purpose of your life is to seek for true love.

Because you are born, you have parents who can be the center of true love. Without being born you cannot have that foundation, can you? Also, because of the desire that you have to inherit love from your parents. you are born as a man or a woman Do you understand? In other words, if there was no love, we wouldn’t need man or woman. Just because of love, and for the sake of love, man and woman are born.

Then what is true love? — true love of man, true love of woman? What is it? (God-centered love.)

What is it? The easy way to put it, is by saying that the love between man and women is horizontal, and the love between God and mankind is vertical love, but these two kinds of love have to be put together as to become one.

At what point will we combine this vertical true love and horizontal true love? Where does the combination have to take place? This is the point. If this is vertical love, then horizontal can be met or harmonized here to this point, this way and that way. (Like a cross.) Where and how do you think these true loves have to meet? This is an important question. (In the true center, balanced.)

True center balance? (Where the vertical and horizontal comes together, centered upon God, where they both meet.) That means 90 degrees — at the perpendicular point. So the meeting point should be the center point from every place and distance — wise from any angle and any direction has to be the exact center. Also, it has to be perpendicular.

The reason is because if we have this exact center point and a perpendicular angle here, then wherever the true love comes from — vertical or horizontal — and goes to whatever angle and direction, there is no resistance and no collision. That’s the only point that a connection can be made easily and freely from any point and there is no resistance. Do you understand?

Only at that point — the center, perpendicular point, that’s where the horizontal perfect love and vertical perfect love meet That is what is called, “true love” — the true love center point Do you follow?

If instead of meeting perpendicular, it meets another way, it is not true love. It has to be perpendicular, and the same distance, so that no matter what you do there is no resistance. Even Jesus Christ’s crucifixion symbolizes that. Do you follow?

So we should apply this very principle into our daily lives by preparing ourselves and by raising ourselves to the standard that we can receive and we can create that kind of true love center point, in ourselves. Do you understand? You have the tools already created and provided by God You have your conscience — original mind — and your body. So if your original mind represents vertical love, and your body represents horizontal love, when your original mind and your body meet together in the center point, that’s the time God’s love can come down and work with you and create the true love center point there.

Furthermore, when a man has that standard established with God, and woman has that standard established. then on a higher level work together and become one, they then work with God and become another higher level true love center. Do you follow? That is what is called “Blessing” — our marriage. If

we have that, we will reach the level that we can touch, like we would touch the strings of a guitar. If we touch man’s original mind “dong” like that, then it should vibrate. Of course not just man’s body, but even woman’s body, and man’s and women’s original mind. It has to be able to reverberate or echo between men and woman any place, wherever being touched Just like when we touch a string, we hear a different tone or pitch on the tight part and the loose part, right? It’s the same thing. If you hit a tuning fork, you can hear the sound — a different pitch here and there. It’s just like that between man and woman We have to have that kind of relationship.

Father says when you see this, you just hit one side but because of this vibration, you hear sound on the other side, too, right. Do you see what I mean? At the same time, you hear the vibration and the sound from the pitch there, even though you don’t have to touch both sides, just one side. That kind of application has to be found between man and woman, husband and wife. That same kind of vibration or echo or resounding touches on the opposite side, without being touched.

You produce the same sound, the same pitch. Again, Father is saying if that is the situation, when your original mind is touched, your body and your wife’s body, your wife’s body original mind, even God’s mind should be touched and produce the same tone, and the same sound Once you reach that level, you can relate to the entire world Nothing can stop you. Have you experienced that yet? If you reach that level you can talk to anything — trees, animals, and the entire creation.

Once you obtain that true love standard, whatever you deal with, whatever you touch, you always will be the subject because of this true love, and you can deal with them without being disturbed. Do you follow’?

Suppose God doesn’t exist Should true love exist? Without God, do you think true love can exist? Therefore, the answer is clear: without knowing God, nobody can say he or she knows true love. We have to understand God’s love. Within the concept of true love do you think you can find a concept of fighting? (No) What’s the matter? Why not? As we know, God is the center of love, and the center of love is the most principle, the most valuable, right? Amen. Praise God. God is at the precious center of love. Between husband and wife, if the husband tries to grab that true love or even before that stage between husband and wife, if the man tries to grab that center of love, do you think the women wouldn’t be jealous about it?

Or that the woman wouldn’t come ahead of the man and try to grab the center of love first? Or would the woman really enjoy and appreciate that the man is going after the center of love and try to get it together? What kind of relationship do you think you would see there? (Both of them are trying to grab it at the same time.)

At the same time, right. Well, women are not as strong as men, women are usually small and women usually have shorter legs. How can she be fast enough to grab the true love? Her hands are small too. Men have an advantage. Therefore, if it is the case that they have to try to grab at true love at the same time, women will always be crying because they will be left behind. So then if that is the case then there is the concept of fighting, of friction. right? They are two distinctive worlds, which are not harmonized. What about God, Himself? But then God, Himself, would just move back and forth to adjust Himself?

Do you think God wants to be in that kind of uncomfortable, unstable situation? What should God do when it comes to true love like this? We are going to stop here because it is a big question. When you are giving a Divine Principle lecture, if someone asks you about it, what kind of answer do you give? (Silence) (Oneness.)

Right now you don’t have answers. It’s a problem, a real problem. On true love, you cannot hurt your partner because then you hurt yourself if you are one with your partner.) Before that even, there is a better example of conflict between your mind and body.

So what do you think that you have to do in order to avoid that? The simple answer is man may go faster, he may go forward and grab the true love first but then man’s attitude and original mind have to say that I do this for woman. If it’s Adam, Adam has to think, say and believe that he grabs God for Eve. Then everything works out because he is not doing that for himself. He can be prosperous. Do you follow that?

This is the very reason that when it comes to true love you never have love centered on yourself. That’s false love. It’s got to be centered on God, or centered on someone else. In the case of Adam, it should be centered on Eve and on God For Eve, it should be centered on God and on Adam. From that very origin comes our Father’s philosophy that ‘I exist for the sake of others’, (Yes) Every problem will be solved from that line. We can see a sign of this from the True Children.

When they find something really good and precious, in their mind. before they think about keeping it for themselves they bring it to their parents, for example to Mother. ‘Mother I have found something really good, look at this’ and then they offer it to Mother. And then Father will take it and show it to their brothers and sisters.

Without knowing in their childish mind that ‘oh if Mother likes what I’ve found and my brothers and sisters like it then I’ll like it too’. Then that child becomes the winner, it belongs to that child. It’s in three

different levels. Do you understand that? It is at that very point that unification takes place. We should be able to create that kind of motivation, that kind of motive, that kind of foundation, and apply that into our own married life, between husband and wife with God. United, we have to become one centered on God. We have to practice true love. Otherwise true love will never exist in the family. Do you understand clearly? (Yes) When it comes to your left eye, you have to say this left eye exists for the sake of the right eye.

How beautiful it is. Instead of having this one eye saying that I am alone, this is mine. The moment the left eye says that he already has two eyes, he, himself, and the right eye. When we say, ‘I exist for the sake of others’, then you are not losing yourself but you are gaining one more, because you are already talking about two: somebody else, but not in a selfish way, but for the sake of others. You are gaining one more instead of losing. Adam’s situation should have been to gain God and Eve, too. He should have had two times more than he did! Do you know what I mean?

Those who practice this very principle are the true man and true woman, and who will go to the Kingdom of Heaven. Among you, those who have absolute confidence that you are living that life, that very principle, raise your hands please. (Only Paul Werner raised his hand.) Paul, are you sure? (Most of the time.) So now, I ask you again — for what do you need Father?

Why do you need Father? True love. When it comes to true love, Father already taught you what true love is, and how to practice true love. Why do you still need Father? (We need an object of love. To know Heavenly Father. To know God.) Well, no matter how much you know about God, if there is no true love, there is no use. Then what is “True Parents?”

What does “True Parents” mean to you? (Source of life — Example of true love — Our origin, where we come from) What about God? God is not our origin? (Yes, but the manifestation of God in the physical way is True Parents.) So again, comes the same question: what does True Parents mean to you?

(Everything!) No, you can’t give that kind of answer. (True parental heart. The example.) If Father is “True Parents,” what kind of parent in God? (The invisible parent) The most original True Parent is God. If that is the case, God should be called the most, most, most True Parent. So what is the same, and what are the differences? If what you are saying is right, how do God and True Parents become one? Centered upon true love? Combined with true love, by the center?

If you are not clear about that, you don’t have the qualifications to become a Unification Church member. The original point is not clear, which means that everything is unclear. This is the most important point.

What is “True Parents?” What is “God?” Again, the same question comes back. (Sung Sang and Hyung Sang. True Parents are the incarnation of God. They are our source of life.)You have to understand. The answer is here — the very simple, clear answer. The relationship between God and True Parents is exactly like the relationship between your mind and body.

Do you understand now? The point of existence of the mind is vertical and the point of existence of the body is horizontal God means vertical parents, and True Parents are horizontal parents. Do you know what I mean? By what are these two combined? (True love.)

When they combine in the center point, what is it? (True love.) And where? (90 degrees). Perpendicular. So that means that God absolutely needs horizontal love. And it means that True Parents absolutely need vertical love. How can those two co-exist and combine? True love is the center point Because of the fall, it is a problem. After the fall, God reserved the way and He worked for salvation for restoration. Do you follow?

If God touches one side, it should resonate from the other side without being touched. The same vibration affects from the same. At the same time one place is hit, the other side also resonates. Is it clear?

With that kind of understanding, you grab Parents with both your hands and keep your original mind vertically straight with God and do your absolute best Grab True Parents with both your hands — don’t lose them! Position yourself straight vertically to God. That means you keep your vertical parents with you and march forward. Then no matter what he tries, Satan will never be able to take you away from True Parents. Do you understand?

We must become sons and daughters of True Parents who can do much more love than Satan can do in this world, and those who can love most throughout human history. We should be able to love more than anybody else. If you establish that position, Satan will never be able to touch you, because that’s the very point you establish the perpendicular point.

If the angle is different slightly, Satan has reason to come in. But as long as you keep that position, no way. Then think that way — how close you are with True Parents and God, right here within yourself. They are not far away. If you have that kind of conviction and attitude and pray, then you will hear your original mind, and you will also hear the resonance from your original mind. In other words, if God is thinking about something, God is saying something, you will hear this through your original mind.

Father sees some of you may have experienced that when you pray. When you are in deep prayer, you may sometimes hear something through your original mind. It’s not just from you, but from God. And if you pray about something very seriously, it actually happens, it takes place. Sometimes Father even without thinking about anything feels, “Oh they are bad people, I can’t leave them the way they are,” the n sooner or later something bad happens to people at that place. God is that close; God is right here. And what is God? (Vertical True Parents.) And our Father is what? (Horizontal True Parents.) God is vertical True Parents, Father is horizontal True Parents. Without having that kind of relationship existing and established, there is no concept of God, no concept of True Parents. That’s why Jesus Christ said, ‘Our mind is God’s temple. God can dwell in this temple, in our original mind.”

That’s why every one of you, every one of us has that holy temple of God within us, where God can dwell also. God’s antenna is our vertical mind Our mind represents the antenna, and our body is the temple. Through this antenna if we receive a message or instructions. it stays here in your body. in this house of God. As long as this vertical antenna makes this perpendicular angle with this house of God — your body — then communication takes place right there.

So our body must cooperate and work together in oneness to follow our mind’s direction. That way our mind antenna will go up higher and higher. As this vertical antenna, which is our original mind goes up higher, higher, higher, then our body — horizontal body — will get wider and wider, broader and broader, too. The same ratio. Think that the entire universe is created comparable to my own organs, my own body structure, and my mind Look at the world Things exist in the pair system in the world. Of course centering upon love — vertical and horizontal.

It’s just a matter of a different degree and a different level, but they all have this universal vertical and horizontal perpendicular angle there. That’s the universal prime rule, so although there may be many different parallel links — vertical and horizontal lines and different levels and steps — the same principle applies. On that perpendicular point, all the existing beings exist there. floating around all over the universe. Do you understand?

That’s why without going through True Parents there is no way for fallen man and woman to find God or relate to God, because we have a totally different blood lineage — the wrong blood lineage. Therefore, we must receive approval from True Parents that we received True Parents’ blood lineage. Only then can we relate to God. Is this clear?

You must be engrafted to True Parents. Otherwise. you cannot connect to God. Until now people did not know this; it is a serious problem. That is why there is a problem, a fearful problem in Satan’s world. Because of the fall, man started with the wrong — the false — root system; therefore we must be cut off from that root and engrafted onto True Parents’ lineage. Until this time in human history nobody knew that very secret, but Father made that proclamation and announced that principle. Satan is really fearful about Father because Father is the one who gave this truth to mankind. Therefore, there is still confrontation between Satan and our world Because the fall took place at the time of Adam and Eve, who were the ancestors of the entire mankind, the fallen world’s love cannot be related to God at all There is no way this fallen root system can be related to God and True Parents, unless it comes out of True Parents again — as a new leaf. Do you understand?

Therefore, the conclusion is that without meeting True Parents — who comes as the Messiah of mankind - - and without going through him, there is no way for any person to be saved and no way to find God. It is clear, right? That’s the reason that you need Father, and you like Father. Now Father is giving you the answer.

When we understand all this truth, think about how absurd the belief is among the Catholics and the Protestants. and other Christian people. Who is wrong and who is right? Who is a heretic? (Laughter) Are heretics or are they? Well. they have been criticizing and persecuting as a heretic, but while we are prospering and we are growing and growing, they are going down. They are declining. The very ones who accused and persecuted us as heretics are going down, and we are prospering.