Questions and Answers at the 40 Day Training Session

~: How does the Messiah eliminate original sin.

A. By going through all those works

This means that in heart we can become on e with God - and we have to obey his orders and Q: … and by this Satan and then he can have freedom.

Q. The Fall the story of Adam and Eve - that man had to go through growth stages to evolve to the

stage of existence that Adam and Eve were at - that they were ‘t cave men - to understand A and E

as being literlaly in the Garden of Eden.

(where did you think they were?) I thought they were symbolic for a group of people or for the

s tandard of where man had become at that time.

(A and E were the first two people -not a group of people) If there were many people

At a certain stage did man evolve scientifically er did at a certain stage God breathe life into man?

(flod creat ed Adam and Eve - man as separate beings. So, when we see fromthe extenal tesults man

cam through the process of evolution - but that is the order of evolution - man has a process of creation.

All the effects must have a cause. … from simple structure he became complex strucutre. From

a simple strucutre a complicated strucutre cannot come out by itself. So, there must have been some

force, or some energy by a third person. So, there must be a lthird person who put in energy or intellect

or anything. Otherwise an amoeba itself must have some power to produce higher intellect - but that cannot

be. So, this means inaxdx input and output cannatb e the same. Always input is stronger.

Many of our members think that first man was born from some animal close to man and then God m

made man. But that ‘s not true . Man is a separate creation. Also, every being hasAspecific purpose

to exist. If everything came by evolution, then we cannot admit their specific purpose. So, when we

develop to certain direction there must be a certain exact pur ose. The purpose rius be given by someone

’ hatis also the communists don’t believe. They don’t believe in God, so they want to explain the appearance

of man by their ideology, so they make their understanding lighter. Also, they say that the conscience

itself can be changed by arti\Iicial methods - but that’s not true. Also, love cannot be changed. Evety

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being has the nature to accomplish its purp se from the beginning. Its purpose cannot be

You have to make it clear the word of creation and the word of evolution is entirely differnt. God created

man as a baby. First as a baby. It’s possible that God can create a seed. So, it does not matter

whether God first conceived the egg - by feeding nourishments he can make a baby. Ever thing goes

through growth stage, so they have to go through growth stage. We know the necessity the growth

Q: Political - is there some significance

is he being punished?

A: We can say that way too. All the big events come not only by man - but also there is the Work of greatly. God. Symbolically that means that nixon’s administration must be changed g ds But this Watergate

problem is one f the greatest problems, not only for your oo untry but for the whole free world. This is

a great sign of transition. Now Nixon - the American government is pulling out from Asia, but

within 5 years America must return to Asia and must bear more responsibility. In that case Soviet

Russia or Red China will be there. America will be bythem. That is not only momentary thing

but that is historical thing. Once man who is in responsible positon in world-scale. If he once makes

mistake, then to amend the mistake, it must go through one cycle. He cannot restore it in a moment or

in a short period of time. It must go through certain period of time to restore his mistake. Because

Master came here and he is doing his work, therefore there will be many such incidents. Also, not only

America, on the world-wide scale there will be na ny such incidents. When the time goes on our plan

p rogresses, Motism and~;in tb Red China will be taken to spirit world.Becasue of this master’s LV~ respnsibility is very gre t. If aster makes one mistake it affects gr tly the Until this time

Master slid not stand in front. Always members work for him. God always stayed behind He did not J

s tand in front. This is the first time for Master to stand infron four members. God’s providence

has been progressing from individual to to world wide level. Always when one is going one

dominate all satanic nations, God must dominate one nation on His side. The Messiah is to come

on the foundation of the nation. When he comes on the nation, then he marches to the restoration of

the whole world. The work of Master up til this time was not the mission ` hould have done. That is

just indemnity work for the fa lure of Christiaianity and also for our members. That is t e restoration

of Caih. By restoring Cain to Abel’s side, he is expanding His work. From one man he must have

Cain and Abel family . By Abel tribe is gone. By Able

By unitiing Cain Tribe with Abel tribe. There can be Abel people and when they unite then Abel is born.

In Korea the U. C. members work to indemnify the mistakes - the faolures of Christians. Because of

that our Church could develop. In Korea already we are now in Abel’s stand and Christians are in

Cain’s stand. Our church is above Christian church. This means that Abel controls over Cain. Once

our church is in this positin we can move to any other things So, to gransfer that foundation

~tQ America, that was last years’ Master’s public speech. Christians are spiritual Cain. Because of

Christian Cain, that is to have spiritual salvation. Master’s speech last year was a declaration of war

against . Even in Korea our church was hit by the established churches. This time by speaking in

public to Chritsaintiyazd Christ ans then this time we can restore what we have hit by Christians churches

in Korea. By founding - by making t at foundation, Master can start his work. Also, we have many

members from European countries. So, you are Cains , becaus you are descendants of Christians.

You came here, that makes the condition that you did not object aginst Master. Also Asian people.

By that we can become one. Also, by the crucivixion of Jesus, God’s prvodience became spiritual

salvation through Christ ianiy. But it was a big blessing for Master’s work. If, at the time of Jesus, if

Jesus made the condition to restore spiritual and physical together, then to succeed his mission master

must amekt eh condition to restore both spiritually and physical. But since Jesus was only to make

spiritual foundation thereore by making physical condition he can standa on the n Spirituall Christians and Master are one, and also physically we are now above physical Christians.

So, we can develop. On that fondation we are now developing our work through physical aspects - the

physical plane.

GILBERT A. ROSCHUNI y So our work is supernational - physical substantial work. In the spiritual level, already all the

international peDpple are one. On the spiritual level we are starting this work. Once we restore

on enation it will be very easy. So, any one nation, that nation will be the foundation. It is not

necessary Korea, any nation, then we can transfer that foundation to Korea and we can start there.

We arenow in tnternational work age. So we can work in any nation. Also Jesus died at the national

level So, Master had to work to indemnity all conditions lost by the death of Jesus - so in backgvard. lv. If Chris churches became one with aster, he could immediate y work on that foundation. When already

America would have been one and there would be no communistic countries. Also, Korean in 1945

when she was liberated - korea and america was very close - almost one. Also then there were many

C CC So at that time if CCC adcepted master he could start at both levels spiritual and physical

both together. Bu becaus of their objection he could not start. So, we are now on the foundation of

physical victory… That is not the mission of the Messiah - what So far .m aster has worked that has

been to indemnify failure of CCC and of Korean. s Before God sent Jesus to Israel, he we; sent many

rophets and eservants and

by those conditions Master could come. A/laster has been making all those conditions. Now we are

on the foudation of

The original mission of Messiah is from national level to the world restoration. ‘Tat~x~A11 the historical

events do not happen just accidentally. This is to make America need the CCC church. America will hay e

troubles. So, this makes need for new poltical, social systems. Now ve are preapring for that.

America is the archangelic country, therefore if America withdraws from Asia, America aanot maintain.

God’s prov. of making America iprosperous was not to make American people 1 ve well, but to protect the age of yellow power Asia. Many american people say that they would come a. Becaus Amrica is not fulfilling her mission

Cain side people or nation and hit, chastize. Whenever Abel fails to fulfill his mission then Cain starts.

By the failure of America, Red China is getting the advantage.

To check that and to make America fulfill her mision, Nlaster is doing this work. American menb ers’

responsibility is very great. You have to understand this great purpose and mission. As M said,

1977 and 78 will be the years when our church UC and America and Communist pove r will meet at one

point. Because in the final restoration, the e must be restored Adam and restored Archangel and

fallen archangel. This means by surredndering - the fallen archangel must is rrende to the restored

archangel. By this heavenly oporivdencecan be restored. M thinks that 3 years from 1978 are the

crossing period. That is up to 1981. 1981 is the ending year of the tthird 7 year course. From 19~

to is the third During this period we have to make world scale . .

Now the iestored archangel is not united with Adam. We are working with Adam to make this - this is

the 7 years course. 1972- 1977 - full six years. During this period we have to make Adam and

Archangel one. It can be done if centers and Chris leaders unite with M. Now M is to make that

c ome. Now M is meeting seantors who resprectnt external side. CCC leaders are internal. When

enators com one with M, then togeth If Senators Flo not coperate with us, then we have tomake l~dxx den to cooperate with us.

If America fails then our church and America will come to coolide. 9But our church is not vif enough

in that case if our side is small then many members must be sacrificed. So, nt to make that come to pass.

M is working with government lefel. God’s prov, in this time at this age. M thinks it will come. So he

ha s many troubles in government and in many areas. You don’t have to worry about those problems.

What you have to concentrate your heart is to make more members and to influence more members.

Make strong sifoundation

If we continue to make 1 mnembmers /month for 7 years when no problem. Then how many can be made?

1 man can make 72. Every month one member must bring one new member. Also, 72 disciples were

represntatives of one nation. You are like one representative of one nation. The has

who led the tribes. This is the reason why M is emphasizing one new member per month. If we

cannot fulfill this then we will have grouble.

GILBERT A. ROSCHUNI

Q. Book Is Israel going to be the central nation?

A. Israel does not mean the exact country. The Israel is first, Christians second and we are third. centering in This means our church and two forces fight. The Jewish people are formation stage, therefore, God

gave them material and CCC are growth stage and they have people. So, they led free world. We

are now in the perfection stage - this means heart and love. That is what history tells.

free world is led by Christians. We will have t at is what history proves

This is not a coincidence - not an accident. If Jewish people persecute us, then we can imagine what

we have - their blessing. Their blessing will be transferred to us. The more persecution we receive,

then the more we will be blessed. So, we have to go and meet people. Our head will be the arowhead,

but our back will become greater tand greater. Our church will become greater. Everything will be

transferred to us.

This is very importan hour and these things are very important.

Q. Position of our church toward vaticain and pope (Franco)

We can see Catholic is formation stage, Protestant growth stage and we are perfection stage. So,

Protestatns fought against Catholics and they won and they had their own churches, they already inheritned

therefore, the foundation of Catholics. If we make Protestants unite with us, then we can finish. America

represents Protestantism, so America is important. 200 years of work to make this foundatio of

America. Ameica is standing on the foundation of the achievement of the Catholic church. Therefore,

we put most importanle on America. When America is united with ou church then we can do as we want

with Cathlics. Can we move American, established churches? We can do that. Whenever you go out

in the field, you have to meet Chr leaders and you have to be able tomove tjem Fight and you have

to use your wisdom. By our wisdom we have to restore - the wisdom of Jacob and to give presents 4 etc. to use the same strategy. Induce you to his members of his church - then it is same as Jacob

and Esau . To do this we need money. Finance and influential people on our side.

When we meet the bishops and archbishops, sometimes we can give him money. In Chapter 5

A. Ancestors who have bad crimes and sins, then descendants will be invaded by Satan. If man

commited a crime by killing a man and then that man spirit man will go to hell. Then he cannot wipe

away the thinking of kiling a man. There is no way to wipe away that thought. Unless he makes the

s ame situation as he commited that very crime. So he d comes back to this earth and makes another

man to reproduce the same situation. By doing that k~x they want to go over that sitintion. Eveil

spirit s can get merit only at the time of great change. - the time of Jesus or the time of Adam.

Also, wthen we go from tribal to national , etc. in that case. Whenever evil spirits come down and they

c aus the same accident as they committed. Then God considers this sacrifice

Also, evil spirit

God admits the work of evil spi nit. Even good man sacrificed, but it does not cause any loss to good

ide, then also the man who became a victim he also gets merit - does not go to a bad place. - he gets

merit as he was sacrificed for the purpcs e of goodness. Also sometimes during the war - that can

become the conditions. If evil spirits come to one nation, then they can cause war. In that case, if

one nation comes to have war, then there are two ways - if the nation determine to fight and win then

they can go in a new direction. E. G. in the Korean war, Korea people suffered so much it was like a

sacrifice, but because of that, Korea could be united with America closer. In Korean war Korean and

American people together shed blood to defend independence of Korea. So, they became very clos

and spiritually became very close and America

becaus of that A M chose America to work. Independence of Korea means the independence of the

whole fatherland - fatherland of all mankind. In the defense of Korean independence, Korean people

shed the most blood. next America and then English people. Therefore, God puts good on them.

That is not bad result. All transitional stage, evil spirits come and cause all kinds of trouble - accidnets

and six fire. This ss not always - only during the stransitional time. Good spirits can come any time.

Whenever he finds good men on earth.

GILBERT A. ROSCH UNI

Q. Billy Graham (Mitch Dixon)

Billy Graham came to Korea 20 years ago and he said that Korea is spiritually highest nation.

This time he adxaKx speaks 20, 000 people come to his meeting.

Q. Albert Develop ability to know if God is happy…

A. You can develop your heart and know whether God is happy or sad by your heart - by your

feeling. To bring development, you cannot develop by yourself alone. You must have objects to work

with. If all the people like you and you rae loved and respected, then you will belooved by God. To

witness to people is the way to develop yourself. For the growth of one tree, it must have many branches

without branches it cannot grow - so you are the trunk and you need many branches.

Q.( Bruce Biggins )God’s words will not be come void or empty Then what will happen to the people

we work with who don’t respond? in time?

When you speak to them wit the heart of God, then they do not receive you, your worn, then they

will be chastized. When you meet CCC , dont’ speak too much, let them speak. People usually don’t

like it if you are too proud. Then you ask questions “which is passage your favorite” then you a sk

why” and then you find their weak point and you can ask his favorite and also the passage he doesn’t like

mkst and also passage which is most difficult to understand. When he says he likes this passage.

agree, agree, agree . Then you ask the reason why you are most pleased and why you don’t like the

passge and why it is most ixitx idifficult and if he cannot answer properlym then you can give him the

answer. Then he can become you r fireldn. Then give him the next chapter. First we have to wake

him up and make him ready to take food. Also, you have to study how to wintess to people. Then you

can understand what are their common problems, questions. Resurrection? Last Days” etc.

In that case you can show your Bible. You rput your mark on the Bible verses which you will use.

ou have to persuade by using Biblical verses and let them aware of their ignorance and misunderstanding.

Ten, they will open their heart. When you visit U hristians tyou don’t have to say you cane from U. C.

you don’t have to idenitfy yourself. Just you talk as a cCCC. You don’t have to insist that they have

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GILBERT A. ROSCHUNI U You don’t have to give our contents just by that order. You can pick up any item. In daily conversation

there come out many topics which you can explain by D. P. So, without letting him know it, you can

give Chap. I . If you can give many answers which he could not solve, then he will adm t that you are

superior to him, then you can give another topics. You have to do this - but not by conversant method.

You have to induce him to listen to more and more. Like we have to go through FGP stages. Byhaving

conversation you an find out how much he knows, then accoreing to his knowledge you can give.

If you give more, which he cannot take, then he’ll die. Then he blocks the way for other people too.

When newly graduated doctors, they donot have much experience, they follow exactly what etextbook

s ays, then they make many mistakes. ]Their knowledge .. “experince does not mean. ` To be able

to do this you have to have much experince. If you do it this way, then witnessing is a very intersting

thngs. Youcan study man and man’s nature - it’s veryintersting. If you have many experiencing, then

you can tell man’s nature by seeing man’s face. Also, Master knows by seeing your face, your long

point, s short points and your character - your nature. That’s not by using spiritual power, but by

experience. So, we have to be very careful in witnessing to ChriCC.t A’so since you new people came

here the atmosphere is not good enogh. By having good r x atmosphere you can have greater merit.

So, before you study you have tomake a good spiritual atmosphere. If you have a good spiritual

atmosphere, you don’t doze and you can study r better and with more interest. Also, you have

t eams now, so you should have group study and by team have lecture pracitce, and by team you can

share your experiences. Whwnever you meet together cyou talk on topics of D. P. not other things.

If you newly understnad things - then you ask other people how did you understand this? By having

you can degelop such understanding and you can help others. Listening is very important . Also, you

have tomake your time - in practicing lectures and many other things. Everyman has long points and

short points. Yo can alnsorb other man’s long points by conversation. Also through your centers you

go through the same traininging - D. P. training and flower and candle selling. In every church we should

follow the same pattern. One man - one new member per person per month.

to endorce you r members to do this, leaders gust do this first.

( )v1en who came from mobile teams stand up. Do mobile team commanders give lectures? Center

directors shou id not have any job. Centers need assistance? Assistants? Master thirks Assitants

are not necessary. If you want tomake twleve members your men can be your assistants. Master

is not going to give assistants. They were assigned when Master was not here. Sometimes when

you have assistants, then cCEYs are assitants. This is the time to make transition. Don’t you think

this way? CD must take all responsibiity of running center. So, you have to think you alone must

make good members. Without this, you cannot bgrow yourself and also You should be above

True Parents and Jesus. Jesus

Each directors must make this number by himself. The number 12 is. If you cannot make twelve

members, then you cahx have to make at least 3 members who can share everything with hex you.

That is 3 disciples of Jesus. Peter, Jacob, John. So, by having these people they can be your children

This is the formula. If you have an assistant then you cannot do like this. When you have more than

Sxia x 12 mwmbers then all can choose assistant. You have to think my mission is min

you have to train. Satan never wanted to work on the foundatin of other men. You have to follow

by thie principle. Youhave to apply Principle to your life. When you thoroughly understand D. P. then

you can thoroughly solve any problem. In the Principle there is no end. Apply through Physics, Science

and anything . If you receive help from other man then it is like … Assistants - you do not go back to

your home center. If you are sent to the same state, then you

You have to work harder than SR’s. Also women will become SR if she is qualified. ASR’s will go

out as pioneer center leaders. In small centers you don’t need assistants. Always remember that there

is stage FGP stages. Formation stage is still growth is training and perfection is

Tree cycles represnt your own children. 12 members represent your tribe, clan. 72 represent your

nation - people of your nation. Jesus also died because he could not make also 120 members he could not represent the whole world. Jesus came to establish God’s world world-scale. Therefore, after

m U. N. 72 nations come into this then

Also, I think in 1963 the membership exceeding more than 120. Formation stage is 3, growth stage

12 perfection stage 72 . From that on the worldAlso, blessing he did the same thing. He firs

H1l ~d blessed3 thenl2 the 36 . Vormation stage of number 12

After Mster blessed 36 there was much trouble and then

After man, he must restore the creation - on that foundation he blessed holy ground

One state is like one nation. America is mixture of people of different nationalities. Becaus of this

we ca bless one state as one nation. In that state there should be more than one. By bix blessing M

restored all conditions lost by Jesus. Also Jesus could not realize the ideal o marriage. After master

blessed people and also blessed land. From 1965 he made a world tour and in 1972, the third tour.

This is the first time. He applied D. P. in his course. So, we have to go through the same. Therefore,

if your are children of faith. So, the restoration of tribe means you have to bless 72 couples. By

doing this you can make the condition that you can restore one nation. Jesus originally should have

made this for his family and . by 72 couples you can restore restoration of one tribe. Also when

Jacob wen t to Egypt there were .

When everybody welcomes our church, then it is very easy to restore.

First you have

So when you go to the spirit worldyou can only go through East gate.. If you have twelve members, then

you can go through 12 gates as you want. Our work is the restoration of 3 generations Adam, Cain,

A. To have tweolv members, then

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