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Bo Hi Pak vs.Soon Wha Choi - Testimony of Bo Hi Pak at trial

2010-07-26 · Source: tparents.org

Bo Hi Pak vs. Soon Wha Choi July 26, 2010 Page2 Page4 1 I N D E X 1 TRANSCRIPT OF PROCEEDINGS 2 WITNESS PAGE 2 was taken on July 26, 2010, commencing at 9:03 a.m., 3 BO HI PAK 3 at the offices of American Arbitration Association, 4 Examination by Mr. Danneman 4 3200 North Central Avenue, Phoenix, Arizona, before 5 5 Gerard T. Coash, a Certified Reporter in the State of 6 BRUCE J. CASINO 6 Arizona. 7 Examination by Mr. Pollock 54 7 8 8 9 9 * * * 10 EXHIBITS MARKED 10 APPEARANCES: 11 EXHIBITS DESCRIPTION PAGE 11 For the Claimant: LEWIS AND ROCA, LLP 12 Exhibit A E-mail from Dale Danneman to Lupe 6 12 By: Dale A. Danneman, Esq. Gonzalez dated 7-12-10; Letter from Brian J. Pollock, Esq. 13 Dale Danneman to Alisa 13 Peter R. Wand, Esq. Lachow-Thurston dated 7-12-10; 40 North Central avenue 14 E-mail string beginning from Reuven 14 Suite 1900 B!1~’9~liO to Lupe Gonzalez dated Phoenix, Arizona 85004 15 15 602-262-5311 16 Exhibit B Copy of FedEx Tracking_ Results 6 16 For Tracking No. 793719638460 17 17 Exhibit C E-mail from Lupe Gonzalez dated 26 18 7-26-10; signed page from Samuel 18 Pak, Motion to be filed in the 19 Supreme Court of the State of New 19 York in the County of Bronx; 20 Affidavit from Alisa Lachow-Thurston 20 21 Exhibit D E-mail from Lupe Gonzalez dated 26 21 7-26-10; Affidavit of Samuel Pak; 22 Affidavit of Alisa Lachow-Thurston 22 23 27 23 24 24 25 25

Page 3 09:03:04-09:04:15 Page5 1 PREVIOUSLY MARKED EXHIBITS ADMITTED 1 TRANSCRIPT OF PROCEEDINGS 2 Exhibit 1 Exhibit 2 2 JUDGE CAMPBELL: On the record. This is the 3 Exhibit 4 Exhibit 5 3 time set for the arbitration hearing in Bo Hi Pak and Soon 4 Exhibit 6 Exhibit 7 4 Wha Choi and Samuel Pak in front of the American 5 Exhibit 8 Exhibit 9 5 Arbitration Association. Today’s the day set for hearing. 6 Exhibit 10 6 Mr. Danneman is present with his clients. Exhibit 11 7 Exhibit 12 7 Neither the respondents nor an attorney Exhibit 13 8 Exhibit 14 8 representing the respondents are present. Exhibit 15 9 Exhibit 16 9 We’re ready to proceed with hearing Exhibit 17 10 Exhibit 18 1 o testimony today. 11 ~~fgH ~6 11 Mr. Danneman, are you ready? Exhibit 21 12 Exhibit 26 12 MR. DANNEMAN: Yes, Your Honor. Exhibit 27 13 Exhibit 41 13 JUDGE CAMPBELL: You may proceed. 14 ~~fgH g~ 14 MR. DANNEMAN: Ifl may, before we begin, I Exhibit 56 15 Exhibit 61 15 would ask that the reporter mark two exhibits. Exhibit A Exhibit 64 16 Exhibit 65 16 is a letter that I e-mailed to Mr. Lupe Gonzalez, the case 17 17 administrator, for this particular arbitration in the 18 18 American Arbitration Association, and that I sent by 19 19 Federal Express to Ms. Alisa Lachow-Thurston, who actually 20 2 o entered an appearance in this the matter with AAA in May 21 21 of2010. 22 22 The letter asks Ms. Lachow-Thurston to 23 2 3 confirm her appearance and representation of the 24 24 respondents, Mr. Samuel Pak, P-a-k, and Ms. Soon Wha Choi 25 2 5 and confirm in, as in exhibit, an e-mail received from one

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1 Reuven Ben-Zvi. I’d ask that be marked as Exhibit A. 1 A. I have a hearing aid, so please speak a little 2 JUDGE CAMPBELL: All right. This will be 2 bit louder. 3 marked as Exhibit A. And are you offering it? 3 Q. I will do that. I apologize, sir. 4 MR. DANNEMAN: I am offering that. 4 Will you state your full name, please? 5 JUDGE CAMPBELL: It will be admitted. 5 A. My full name is Bo Hi Pak, last name is P-a-k, 6 MR. DANNEMAN: Not as evidence as to the 6 first name is B-o H-i, Bo Hi Pak. 7 merits, but with respect to the procedural posture of the 7 Q. Are you addressed as Dr. Pak? 8 case. 8 A. Yes. 9 (Exhibit A was marked for identification.) 9 Q. All right. Please tell the arbitrator when you 10 MR. DANNEMAN: And I may as well offer as 10 were born. 11 Exhibit B the Federal Express confirmation of delivery of 11 A. I was born 1930, this August 18. 12 that letter to Ms. Lachow-Thurston’s office. 12 Q. So you’re about to celebrate your 80th birthday. 13 JUDGE CAMPBELL: All right. This will be 13 Is that correct? 14 marked as Exhibit B and will be admitted just for purposes 14 A. Yes, that is correct. 15 of the procedural posture of the hearing. 15 Q. All right. Where do you live at the present 16 (Exhibit B was marked for identification.) 16 time? 17 MR. DANNEMAN: With respect to — ifl may 17 A. Seoul, Korea. 18 just briefly, with respect to our appearance here today, 18 Q. And how long have you been living in Korea this 19 Your Honor, on June — I’m sorry-- on July 8th, we 19 most recent time? 20 submitted a prehearing brief to the Court, to the 20 A. Exactly I do not know the length of time in Korea 21 arbitrator, and Exhibit A to that prehearing brief 21 because I had long time lived in the United States. 22 contains the claimant’s demand for arbitration, which, if 22 Therefore — after my birth, until my military service, I 23 I may, leave that before the arbitrator as reference. 23 was in Korea. 24 We are here, Your Honor, asking that you 24 Q. Well — All right. Why don’t we — why don’t 2 5 hear evidence with respect to a confidential release 25 you tell the arbitrator your history. You were born in

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1 executed December 3, 1999, in Arizona. Our client, Dr. Bo 1 Korea? What — Tell the arbitrator, if you would, sir, 2 Hi Pak, is one of the parties to that release. That 2 about your life. 3 particular claimant was — or this claim that brings us 3 A. My life — now, I’m about to be 80 years old. I 4 here today with — filed with the AAA in December of 2009 4 was born August 18, 1930, and I was born in the 5 asked you to declare the release to be valid, binding, and 5 countryside of Korea, not Seoul City. I was known to be a 6 enforceable. That’s the extent of our request. 6 country boy, and elementary school at the country — or 7 If at this time I may call the plaintiff, 7 remote country, and then high school in same area. 8 Dr. Bo Hi Pak to testify. 8 Then I was trying to become a good farmer 9 JUDGE CAMPBELL: You may. We’ll have the 9 because my father and mother was farming with a small 10 witness sit over here by the court reporter. And I’ll ask 10 farm, and I want to succeed to be a good farmer. Then 11 the court reporter to put the witness under oath. 11 what happened — then at the same time — that was during 12 (Whereupon, the witness was sworn.) 12 the Japanese occupation. The Japanese occupation was over 13 MR. DANNEMAN: May I have him be seated, 13 1945. So before that occupation is over, I was studying 14 Your Honor? 14 in local school. 15 JUDGE CAMPBELL: Yes, you may. 15 Then after high school, junior high school, 16 Please be seated. 16 third grade, Korea was liberated, 1945. World War II was 17 THE WITNESS: Thank you, sir. 17 over and I was sort of come back to Citizens of Republic 18 18 of Korea. Of course independence of the country happened 19 BO HI PAK, 19 in 1948. 2 o the witness herein, having been first duly sworn by the 20 So in 1945 to 1948 there was a military 21 Certified Reporter, was examined and testified as follows: 21 government. And during that time, I was a school teacher 22 22 as well in a local school. Because all the Japanese 23 EXAMINATION 23 teachers sent back to Japan, there was a great vacancy in 24 BY MR. DANNEMAN: 24 teaching faculties, so I was selected to be one of the 25 Q. Would you please state your full name? 25 teachers of elementary school. So I was teaching at the

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1 same time farming. At home, I was doing farm work then go 1 Q. And the North Koreans pushed your units down the 2 to school teaching the children. That was my life. I 2 peninsula? 3 thought I had been living the rest of my life in that 3 A. Completely run over. 4 fashion. I enjoyed teaching children and working with the 4 Q. Okay. 5 children and so forth. 5 A. However, we did not retreat and until Seoul was 6 Then 1950 — 1950 came and a great change 6 taken by enemy with the 29th of June. 7 occurred in my life. I was drafted by the government — 7 Q. So you’re 20 years old and you are in the Korean 8 by the Korean government to be a — for the military 8 cadet corps. Your cadet corps is suffering severe losses, 9 service. And when I was selected in the way of — drafted 9 but you go down — you get pushed down the peninsula, and 10 by the government, I felt very sad because I had old 10 eventually you get put into a training program, correct? 11 parents at home and no one to take care of them. I have 11 A. Yes. We lost a great numbers of our 12 to go to the army. And very sad. 12 classmates — 13 Then I made up my mind ifl go to military, 13 Q. You went-- 14 I rather become officer to serve in a more responsible 14 A. — down to cross the Han River and — because 15 position. So I applied for the military academy, Korean 15 that was enemy territory, already enemy taken over Seoul, 16 military academy. First time Korean military academy 16 Korea. 17 started out the West Point style four year full military 17 Q. And you — 18 academy. And I entered the very first class. I entered 18 A. And the 55 gathered together at Suwon, then we’re 19 the very first military academy as a four-year candidate, 19 sent down to Pusan area for short military training. 20 and that was happening June the lst 1950. 20 Instead of four years it become eight weeks. And then 21 So we entered, sworn to be a military 21 eight weeks later we were commissioned as a second 22 officer and to become a cadet of the Korean military 22 lieutenant. 23 academy. And 25 days later, The Korean War broke out, 23 Q. And you led Korean soldiers, then, in the 24 25 that was June 25, 1950, Korean War. I think it was most incredible invasion. All of a sudden it’s almost like a 24 25 remainder of the Korean hostilities, correct? You were a company commander? I~ 09:14:11-09:15:45 Page 11 09:17:24-09:18:30 Page 13

1 thunderstorm, it’s like a tremendous kind of surprise 1 A. Yes. 2 attack. Came right north of our school. Because our 2 Q. When the cease fire or the armistice occurred you 3 school was located on the northern part of Seoul, Korea. 3 remained in the army, correct? 4 And then what happened, that very day, 4 A. Yes. 5 June 25th when the war broke out, the military 5 Q. And the army eventually sent you as an officer to 6 headquarters of Korea have military cadet corps to be sent 6 Fort Benning, Georgia? 7 out to the front line that very day. We didn’t know 7 A. That was 1951, during the war. 8 anything, what’s happening, what’s going on. And we went 8 Q. During the war. 9 10 11 to front line and this country boy at that time, of course, as you know, did not know anything about military except the M rifle because we were trained 25 days with 9 10 11 But eventually you were one of a select group of army officers that received intensive English training. Is that right? Q 12 the M rifle. I fired a round, that’s all I got military 12 A. Later on. That when I first came to the United 13 experiences. With the M rifle, with the ammunitions, we 13 States, I did not know anything about English. I did not 14 cadet corps send out to the front line. Enemy is coming 14 speak English. So training was done by translating 15 down. We’re going up north, clashed that night. 15 instructor by Korean interpreter. That’s the way 16 Q. Dr. Pak, let me — let me interrupt you. You 16 150 Korean officers were trained. 17 then fought the North Korean invasion, right? 17 Q. But in — after the war, you took a year of 18 A. Yes. 18 intensive English and you became a legal attache at the 19 Q. And how big was your class, the cadet corps? 19 American embassy? 20 A. 330. 20 A. Yes. Then I had entered into what they call 21 Q. How many of your classmates were then killed in 21 military attache school. 22 the ensuing hostilities or wounded? 22 Q. I’m sorry. Military attache, not legal? 23 A. That first night, June 25th, that very day the 23 A. Military attache school and very intensive 24 war broke out, 86 of our classmates, of my class, were 24 language training, but I was taking English course. 25 killed in action. And over probably a hundred wounded. 25 So after that, I serve some more in Korea

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1 before I became military attache. In 1961, I was assigned 1 Korean Cultural and Freedom Foundation? 2 to be assistant military attache to the Korean embassy in 2 A. I do not have any official position except just 3 Washington. 3 liked way of saying a missionary. 4 Q. And how long did you serve in that position? 4 Q. All right. Sir — 5 A. Three years and a half. 5 A. The role of missionary. 6 Q. So you started living in Washington in 1961? 6 Q. Let me ask you to look in the exhibit book in 7 A. ‘61 March until 1964 October. 7 front of you. And this is a book of exhibits marked I 8 Q. Did you retire from the military in 1964? 8 through 65. I would ask you, sir, to go to the very end. 9 A. ‘64 October. 9 And there are two photographs at the very end, Exhibit 64 10 Q. And you retired as a lieutenant colonel? 10 and 65. This is a photograph. What is that a photograph 11 A. Yes. 11 of, sir? 12 Q. Are you a member of the Unification Church? 12 A. This is my family photograph still hanging in my 13 A. Yes. 13 living room. 14 Q. When did you join the Unification Church? 14 Q. What year is that photograph? 15 A. I joined the church in 1957. 15 A. What year? I do not know exactly what year, but 16 Q. Who is the head of that church? 16 during my military attache period. 17 A. Pardon me? 17 Q. Well, you — you — Tell us who is in the 18 Q. Who is the head of the church? 18 photograph. 19 A. Reverend Sun Myung Moon. 19 A. Here is myself, my wife. 20 Q. When you left the military in 1964, what did you 20 Q. And your wife — your wife’s name is? 21 do? 21 A. Ki Sook Pak. 22 A. After 1964? 22 Q. K-i S-o-o-k, correct? 23 Q. Yes. 23 A. Yes. 24 A. I was retired honorably from the army as a 24 Q. All right. And then the children? 25 lieutenant colonel. Then I came back to the United States 25 A. And the children, standing behind is my elder

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1 and I was leading the foundation known as the Korean 1 daughter, Grace, Grace Pak. And then standing on the 2 Cultural and Freedom Foundation with the help of great 2 left, all the way left, is my eldest son Jonathan Pak. 3 numbers of notable Americans such as Arleigh Burke, 3 Q. And Jonathan has accompanied you here today from 4 Admiral Arleigh Burke to be president. And the 4 Korea. Is that correct? 5 President Eisenhower and the President Truman to be 5 A. Yes. I came together with him. 6 honorary president and many other notable senators and 6 Q. All right. 7 congressman join our cause because they were very 7 A. And all the way to the right, small boy, that was 8 sympathetic to the Korean situation. Because our cause 8 my second son. He is James Pak. We have a Korean name, 9 trying to accomplish what the foundation was very notable, 9 but commonly known as James Pak. 10 very amicable. So they — 10 Then there’s three children between myself 11 Q. What was that cause? 11 and my wife. The girl I’m holding was the last daughter, 12 A. The two cause. One is — causes. One is for 12 third daughter, Yuni or Yun Sook Pak. And then the middle 13 fighting against communism because, you know, communism to 13 or second daughter, which is Han Sook, Hani, American name 14 me is unforgivable enemy. And, of course, hostility is 14 is Julia, Julia Pak. And all the way to the right, my 15 over, the hot war is over by that time, but the 15 wife is holding, that is Samuel Pak. 16 psychological war was going on. And, therefore, I was 16 Q. Is Samuel Pak your son? 17 trying to broadcast the truth to the communist territory, 17 A. Myson. 18 such as Russia, Soviet Union, China, and North Vietnam by 18 Q. Are you his father? 19 broadcasting. And we did the fundraising and then we 19 A. I’m the father. 20 started out what they call RFA, Radio of Free Asia. And 20 Q. Are you his biological father? 21 that program from the United States I prepared the truth 21 A. Not biological father, but adopted father. 22 about what’s going on the true world and broadcast in both 22 Q. Tell us how Samuel Pak came to live in your 23 free countries. 23 household. 24 Q. Did you have any position within the Unification 24 A. That was around 1966 — around 1966, and he was j’~ 25 Church at the same time that you were heading up the 25 born around that year. There was a lady known as Soon Wha ‘r-17 Min-U-Script® Coash & Coash, Inc. 602-258-1440 (4) Page 14 - Page 17

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1Choi, church member and very close to our family. And she 1 Q. Did you send Samuel to a high school in the 17 2was workin!!__aS a clerk to mv foundation. foundation staff. 2 Washington, D.C., area? 3And she was ready to give birth to a child and she 3 A. Yes. Yes. 4requested — asked me — she was unmarried at that time, 4 Q. Where did you send him? Congressional? 5of course. Therefore, it was very curious, difficult 5 A. Congressional High School. 6situation for her to — to take care of a child, so she 6 Q. Was that a private high school? 7asked me whether I could be adoptive father to the child. 7 A. No, public high school. 8 And under the circumstances, I was very 8 Q. Public high school? 9sympathetic. And I was fond of her at that time and 9 A. Yes. :o really want to help her somehow. And my wife and I 10 Q. Did Samuel go to college? :1 discussed this matter .and accepted to adopt him to be my 11 A. Pardon? :2 child. 12 Q. Did Samuel go to college? Did he get a college :3 Q. Do you know who the biological father is of 13 education? :4 Samuel? 14 A. Yes, college. 5 A. Precisely I do not know. I have no idea. 15 Q. Where? 6 Q. All right. So Samuel came to live with your 16 A. The George Washington University. 17 family in 1966 in Washington, D.C.? 17 Q. That’s a private university, correct? 18 A. Ever since, yes. 18 A. Yes, private university. 19 Q. All right. So — and he resided in your house? 19 Q. Who paid his tuition and his room and board? 20 A. Yes. 20 A. Everything — everything I paid. I am truly 21 Q. You raised him? 21 serving as a father’s role in every way possible. 22 A. Raised and — just like my son and daughter, my 22 Q. This is even after he learns that you’re not his 23 own child. He never knew — you know, he thought he was 23 biological father, you still continue to support him? 24 born between my wife and I. 24 A. Absolutely. Absolutely. I never — never denied 25 Q. Did there come a time when he learned 25 that I never accepted Choi.

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1 differently? 1 Q. Your eldest son Jonathan, did he go to high 2 A. What? 2 school in the D.C. area? 3 Q. Did he learn that that was in fact not the case? 3 A. Jonathan? 4 Did he learn that you were not his biological parents? 4 Q. Yes. 5 Samuel? 5 A. Yes. Not D.C. area, the Northern Virginia. 6 A. No, nothing different. There was no — you know, 6 Q. That’s where your home is — was actually — 7 there was no different treatment. 7 A. That’s where my home was, McLean, Virginia. 8 Q. Okay. My question is when did he learn that you 8 Q. And Jonathan, did he go to college? 9 were not his biological parents? 9 A. Jonathan was attending Langley High School, it’s 1.0 A. I do not want to let him know about this because 10 a public high school there. That’s a very good area and a .1 I want him to be a grown up and as my son and I really 11 good high school. And he enter into Yale University. .2 look at his life, good life, good education and a great 12 Q. And he graduated from Yale? 13 life in the future. And however his mother, Choi, 13 A. Graduated from Yale with bachelor’s.

~: C-h-o-i, Choi was constantly agitating or bothering us, that, “The child is my child. And I want to take over.” 14 15 Q. And James went to the University of Pennsylvania? A. University of Pennsylvania. 16 I said. “No. No. You already made up your 16 Q. And as with — you did with Samuel, you paid for ___1’717 mind to let me adopt this son.” And we resisted. But 17 their educations at those schools? 8 that war of psychological warfare going on for a long 18 A. Absolutely, yes. 19 time. And gradually when he was growing older, about age 19 Q. All right, sir. So the — you continued with the 20 of 13 or 14, around that time — that time, he — by her, 20 Korean Cultural and Freedom Foundation into the 1970s. Is 21 he was noticing that I am not his biological father, 21 that correct? 22 around that time, I think. 22 A. Yes. Yes. 23 Q. Okay. Did Samuel continue to live in your house 23 Q. And then the foundation wound up its affairs. 24 after he learned that Ms. Choi was his mother? 24 And what did you do after that? Tell us about your work 25 A. Yeah. For a long period of time. 25 history.

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1 A. My work? 1 time? 2 Q. After the Korean Cultural and Freedom Foundation 2 A. What I’m doing? 3 wrapped up, what did you do? 3 Q. Today, right now. Not in this hearing. But do 4 A. Korean Cultural and Freedom Foundation wrapped it 4 you have a position currently? 5 up 1978 or thereafter, around that time, 1978 or ‘80, 5 A. I do have a position, yes. I do have a position 6 around that time. 6 in — two position in a way. One is I have another ~ 7 And after that, I was serving as a full-time 7 foundation in Korea known as Korean Cultural Foundation. 8 missionary of the church. And at that time, my English 8 I dropped the Korean Freedom and I’m Korean Cultural = 9 proficiency was pretty good. And I was — from time to 9 Foundation. 17 10 time and quite a few time translator of Reverend Moon. 10 Q. Okay. Thank you. 11 Reverend Moon did not speak English so I was going up to 11 A. And another one is the Korean War 12 New York and translate his sermon and so forth. 12 60th Anniversary Memorial Committee, I’m co-chairman. ~ 17 13 Q. And what happened in 1982? Did you get a new 13 Q. All right. And the purpose of the Korean War 14 job? 14 60th Anniversary Memorial Committee is to celebrate this 15 A. 1982? Yes. 1982 was a very important year for 15 year, the 60th anniversary of the beginning of the Korean 16 me. You know, our movement — the church or movement it’s 16 War. Is that correct? 17 in a way a very conservative and anti-Communist movement. 17 A. Yes. As you know, I’m a Korean War veteran. And 18 I was a military man. I abhor Communism. And 1982 18 that was deep in my heart, the Korean War. Consequences 19 Reverend Moon decided to open up a newspaper in 19 of the Korean War was deeply influenced my life. And I am 20 Washington, D.C. Why? Because there was two big 20 so deeply grateful for United Nations participation during 21 newspapers in Washington, D.C., one is Washington Post, 21 the Korean War. 22 the other is Washington Evening Star, they called it. 22 Exactly the 16 nations came to send the 23 Excuse me. 23 troops, the Korean War. I was fighting side-by-side with 24 Q. How about a drink? 24 them. Primarily American soldiers and Great Britain and 25 A. 128 year old newspaper, Washington Evening Star, 25 many others. And their sacrifices, I feel, saved my

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1 that particular newspaper was run by Life magazine — I 1 country, my life too. So I want to do some sort of repay 2 mean — no, Time Magazine in New York. It’s one of the 2 of gratitude to those United Nations who send the troops 3 tycoons, one of the greatest publishing company in 3 to Korea, especially United States. 4 America. They run Evening Star. And Evening Star in 1981 4 So this year, the 60th anniversary, the 5 demolished, they bankrupt. 5 Korean War veterans, all in my age, 80 years old or more, 6 So Washington was left on the one newspaper. 6 we don’t last too long. After I 0 years, may not be living 7 The one newspaper was Washington Post. But Washington 7 any Korean War veterans, may not be living on Earth, 8 Post had the public understanding and reputation to be 8 including myself. 9 very liberal, left wing. Even some corner of American 9 So I felt I want to show Korea’s 10 society, the name the Washington Post is the Pravda of the 10 appreciation to those United Nations countries who sent 11 West. It’s almost like the propaganda paper for the 11 the troops and died, 190,000 soldiers either killed, 12 Soviet Union. 12 wounded, and the POWs, missing in action, so forth. 13 Q. So, Dr. Pak, in 1982, did you become the 13 JUDGE CAMPBELL: Why don’t we take a 14 publisher of a newspaper? 14 10-minute break so Dr. Pak can compose himself. 15 A. So Reverend Moon decided to publish a new 15 MR. DANNEMAN: Very well, Your Honor. 16 newspaper and called Washington Times, and I was named as 16 (A recess ensued.) 17 the president — chairman, president, publisher of that 17 JUDGE CAMPBELL: Back on the record. 18 newspaper. 18 This hearing started a little after 19 Q. How long did you continue in that position? 19 9:00 a.m., as scheduled. While the arbitrator was hearing

G ~~ A. I was there — I was a founding president. I was 20 testimony, the arbitrator received by e-mail from AAA some there about 12 years. 21 pleadings that arrived at my e-mail box at 9:17 a.m. And 22 Q. Okay. 22 I’m going to have marked both the e-mails and the 23 A. So I am the one who basically built a very 23 pleadings I’ve received. 24 reputable conservative newspaper in America. 24 I’m going to mark as C an e-mail from Lupe 25 Q. What are you doing today? How do you occupy your 25 Gonzalez, dated July 26, 2010. And attached to the e-mail

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